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  Summary of WT Appeal Brief in Conti Case

  by Chaserious in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

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  if they were able to win on this ground, they could get out completely (although it could still be appealed to the ca supreme court).

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  Listener

  Thankyou for all the work you put into the summary. The WTBTS is not making itself look good through this appeal.

  Regarding -

  A. Duty applied to the Watchtower

  They are admitting that they may have had a moral responsibility to action and failed but because their was no legal obligation they should be let off the hook. If it is by their 'works' that they vindicate themselves as being above every other religion then they are failing because their actions show that they don't take their moral responsibilities seriously. It also demonstrates how their actions are not being guided by Holy Spirit otherwise they would have known how to deal with abuse issues in a wisely manner.

  I understand that in at least one state there is a 'good samaritan' principle. The law is supposed to be about justice. If by someone's inaction another person is injured then there should be a recourse. It seems their only recourse regarding their inaction is because they felt they had no legal responsibility.

  Even if they win this case they have shown clearly how they neglected to act as true Christians.

  B. Exclusion of Parties from Jury Verdict Form

  Such a fine representation they make of themselves, let's point the fingure elsewhere and put the blame on others.

  C. Government entanglement with religion

  Sounds like they feel they should be above the law. The case is about a religion having some responsibility in protecting an individual and yet the WTBTS would like to establish the idea that it does not.
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  The silent treatment AKA shunning

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an interesting article has been produced by the wtbts regarding 'how to end the silent treatment'.

  the awake june, 2013 discusses certain issues about partners using this behaviour.

  the fact is that the silent treatment is used on disfellowshiped jws and their statements can equally apply to them.. here are some quotes from the article -.

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  Listener

  An interesting article has been produced by the WTBTS regarding 'how to end the silent treatment'. The Awake June, 2013 discusses certain issues about partners using this behaviour. The fact is that the silent treatment is used on disfellowshiped JWs and their statements can equally apply to them.

  Here are some quotes from the article -

  "Retaliation. Some spouses use silence as a form of revenge.

  Manipulation. Some use the silent treatment as a means to get what they want.

  The first step to ending the silent treatment is to recognize it for what it is—a tactic that, at best, works only short-term.

  But is that really how you want to treat someone whom you have vowed to love?"
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  This weeks study article: God gave us these truths, yet we admit he hasn't actually given us the truth yet-- think about it

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wt 2/13 page 3 paragraph 3--> "though religious error abounds worldwide, how thankful we are that god has given us spiritual light and truth!

  (read psalm 43:3,4.

  ) whereas the masses of mankind walk in darkness, we joyfully keep on walking in god-given spiritual light.

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  They seem to be saying that the truth becomes known when you stop inventing or imagining and start baseing it on facts. This may be true with some of their teachings such as each creative day being eons long and not limited to 7,000 years but they invented the idea of the 7,000 years initially. The problem is that they do invent and imagine ideas and doctrines and that is not truth and should never be taught as such.

  It does not explain how truth can be found when they flip flop on their ideas.
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  I think you will find hours and hours of fascination to be had here.....

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://users.adam.com.au/bstett/jehovahswitnesses.htm.

  jehovah's witnesses.

  the religion most analysed in investigator magazine is jehovah's witnesses.

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  Thanks Terry. I particularly enjoyed the article on the Watchtower Prison 131.
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  A CD "The Watchtower & Christ's Presence"

  by mouthy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has just come into my hands ,1920-1929.....is the one of you who would like it?.

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  Listener

  I agree Anonymous. Mounthy, it would be great if you could give it to someone who can download it for sharing on the internet.
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  The New Diary of Winston Smith

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

  fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

  i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

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  It is quite likely that they are wanting more GB members but are having problems finding long serving members that are anointed, they need to plant some seeds like this idea in order for some to meet the criteria.
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  “New light” Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.

  if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.

  it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.

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  They have failed in advising where they get their authority to Govern. The FDS is only appointed to provide spiritual food, nothing else as they are no longer believed to be appointed over all Christs' belongings, this previously gave them more authority than restricting their role as providing the spiritual food.

  It is the WTBTS that fill the role of providing spiritual food, the GB only supervise that and direct the teachings to their own beliefs.

  The funny thing about this new teaching is that they are saying the previous persons who believed they were part of the FDS were all wrong. They have chosen for themselves to change this and are going against what the old FDS taught.

  Thanks Cedars for all your work and also making yourself available for other concerned people to approach you.
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  Irritated with my sister in law who is trying to claim my baby girls clothes

  by Butterflyleia85 in

  1. social
  2. family

  irritated with my sister in law.

  ok so i'm really happy and excited about having my baby girl january 31st!

  the same week i learned my sister in law is having a baby due in october but will be having it delivered september.

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  Listener

  Butterfly I know it's hard but as my mother used to say 'put your foot down'. Unfortunately she sounds like the sort of person that will 'use you' if you let her and because she is going to be around for a long time it is better for you to voice your feelings now so that she is clear as to where she stands.

  If she mentions the clothes again then tell her not to expect too much as there will only be a few things you can give her. If she is persistant and asks why is that, then tell her you want to keep most of it.

  When she borrows things from you make a real fuss about it, if it holds some meaning to you then let her know. Kingly remind her that she has something of yours and that you were hoping to get it back. If you make a fuss she is going to stop borrowing stuff as it will be too bothersome for her, you're basically beating her at her own game.
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  First mention of "new light" may appear in July 15, 2013 Watchtower

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a trusted source informs me that the "new light" about the faithful slave is to make its first printed appearance in the july 15th watchtower, which should be available for download online three weeks from now, on around april 15th.. i'm led to believe that the references to the new understanding are made in such a manner as to suggest the "new light" isn't that new at all, which suggests to me that little or no effort is being made to explain the doctrinal connotations.

  my source and i are hoping to get a key paragraph posted at the earliest opportunity.

  watch this space!.

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  Interesting leaving quietly. Here is a church that is changing it's very foundation that it built itself on.
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  Disfellowshipping Changes

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  paraphrase of the watchtower 1955, page 607:.

  quote from the watchtower august 1st 1974 issue, page 465:.

  quote from the watchtower august 1st 1980 issue, page 19:.

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  Listener

  Those quotes show how the GB really do insight hatred.