so i've heard lots of talk from within about the 'new light' in this watchtower...i'm yet to look at it in any detail.
i'm kind of surprised actually...i first heard about it here before it was even available but close to the time it did come out people started bringing it up - even our co.. some say things like "have you heard about this?
" or "big changes," or "allot of things they said we believed, i didn't realize,"(lots of that) or "brain-overload" or " too much information, but i've never felt more pumped up" or "it's soo exciting to see jehovah's spirit lead his organization..." or "it requires time to sink in, but it's a good feeling!
Great point, the domestics whom they were supposedly appointed over in 1919 didn't include the other sheep as they didn't exist. The appointment over the other sheep could have only occurred around 1935 when they were identified. I wonder what parable/prophecy they have to show that they were given authority over them also?
There are so many holes in their story it is unreconcilable.
so i've heard lots of talk from within about the 'new light' in this watchtower...i'm yet to look at it in any detail.
i'm kind of surprised actually...i first heard about it here before it was even available but close to the time it did come out people started bringing it up - even our co.. some say things like "have you heard about this?
" or "big changes," or "allot of things they said we believed, i didn't realize,"(lots of that) or "brain-overload" or " too much information, but i've never felt more pumped up" or "it's soo exciting to see jehovah's spirit lead his organization..." or "it requires time to sink in, but it's a good feeling!
Thanks for the clarification SANS.
Could I just give a response to your statement
"Their first appointment has apparently already been made in 1919, with that past appointment being over the “domestics” (wheat class) here on earth"
They have included both the anointed and the other sheep as 'domestics'. As far as the parable talking about the wheat class, they maintain that the wheat class are only the anointed. From the July 15 2013 Watchtower -
The events taking place in that farmer’s field illustrate how and when Jesus would gather out of mankind the entire wheat class—anointed Christians who will rule with him in his Kingdom.
This means that in the parable of the wheat and the weeds. The weeds (imitation christians) are destroyed and the wheat (anointed christians) are saved. Since the other sheep are not anointed then they are not going to be saved. And since only anointed christians can be the wheat then non-anointed christians (other sheep) could only be considered as imitation christians because all others professing themselves to be christians, but are considered as imitation christians, would also be non-anointed be default.
Their explanation as to their idea that the seperating of the wheat and the weeds began in 1914 is just as confusing and they state that Russell was the current day messanger just as John the Baptist was originally.
the sheep and the goats31 when the son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.. .
A google search has provided the following article
http://www.watchman.org/articles/jehovahs-witnesses/watchtower-society-redefines-1914-generation/
Apparently the Society feels that the judgment period has stretched too far. Its been over 80 years since the judgment began in 1914. They are now saying the Bible, "does not show that such judging would continue over an "extended period of many years" (Watchtower, 15 October 1995, p. 22
i actually got a bucket close by and read some of the study ed.
july 13 w.t my first reaction was amazement at how very muddled the whole thing was, i think if i had all those months to write articles since the noo lite was presented at the agm i could make a much better job of arguing the new ideas, and our very own sd7 could do even better !.
for instance, it is claimed in the chart, and the 2nd article i think, that the harvest began in 1914, by whom ?.
Yes, the IF point is really good and I agree that they have made the whole thing confusing even though they had plenty of time to 'prepare' it but that is probably on purpose.
is it true what we're hearing?
it's been reported to us that two elders burst in to a sda church service about a month ago seeking to trap a witness man there.
the man, a witness for 14 years, had become disillusioned with the affairs of the wts in australia after viewing the "sunday" program on channel nine which exposed the cover-up of paedophilia in the witness movement.
Given that one of those shows calls themself a CURRENT Affair, I don't think they would be interested in something that may have happened 8 years ago.
if cedars and simon had a debate about how to run a website and lady lee were the moderator, who would win this debate?.
Yes, no contest. We already had what could be viewed as a debate right here on JWN. Cedars walked away with no further comments to make.
this is literally hot off the press as in from about half an hour ago.. we have a friend from nz (who is wavering and knows our situation) and he is on holiday in japan at the moment.
today there was a zone overseer talk that he went to in nagoya (southern japan) and it has just finished up.
straight after the song and still in the stadium he emailed us the info below.
"Are there Apostates in Japan?"
Possible Sans posts here and is Japanese. I think he/she translates their posts from Japanese into english.
the text i used in my analysis, "the truth changes: watchtower july 15, 2013" comes from the "study" edition of that magazine.. it is still available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/the_truth_changes.pdf.
i have now used the text from the "simplified" edition, and it is available at:.
http://www.jwstudies.com/the_truth_changes_in_the_simplified_watchtower.pdf.
Watchtower 12 1/15 has this to say regarding the anointed on earth and their role
Where would those in the new covenant serve? On earth, where, as a group, they would serve as a priesthood, representing Jehovah to people by ‘declaring abroad his excellencies’ and providing spiritual food. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Pet. 2:4, 5) After their death and resurrection, they would serve with Christ in heaven as both kings and priests , fully carrying out the functions of both offices. (Luke 22:29; 1 Pet. 1:3-5; Rev. 1:6)
It would appear that the the majority of anointed on earth are a part of the priesthood whose only role is to spread the good news but it makes no sense as the other sheep also have this role.
hahahaha!!!
i predicted this 4 years ago!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyjca1-q60.
Well done, you were right to question the teaching back then, time has shown they were preaching falsely back then. The problem is that the new teaching is even more questionable.
I enjoy your video's and find you clear and direct with your presentations, you have all the makings of an excellant teacher.
now that i am really "awake" at the assemblies i pay more attention to what the borg's traveling enforcers say and the talk he gave was some "new light" on 2 thess.
1:8 (probably his opinion).
paraphrased " there is a thinking that has crept in somehow in the minds of some brothers over the years that because jehovah is a merciful &loving god he will not destroy those who have not been reached with the good news in different parts of the world or my family or bible studies need just a little more time, well they need to read this script.. .
"because the GB tells me to report my time!"
That was quick. It was only a matter of time before they used they're newly created interpretation of the FDS to weild their power.
No doubt they believe that as they are the only ones who have ever been appointed as the FDS (from 1919) there is no precedent set by any biblical character/s as to how they are to carry out their governing. But they conveniantly forget that they have only approved themselves to carry out spiritual feeding, nothing more.
