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GUILT TRIPS AND EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL!!!

by DATA-DOG in

all hell has broken loose at my house!

the wife is pissed [ i did not turn in the "voluntary tithe" slip .

if she doesn't go, then she cannot do x event tomorrow.

Listener

Tread very carefully where your daughter is concerned. She is manipulating you by trying to get your sympathy and to side with her.

Sit down with your wife and ask her what is really upsetting her and you'd like to make things better for her. She probably feels like she has to deal with everything and you are not sharing the load with her (JW responsibilities) and this includes that possibly your daughter is not so interested in the religion. There's not much you can do about being a good JW just to make peace at home unless you feel so inclined but that won't do you any good mentally. Instead you'll need to deal with the behaviour in a more logical, down to earth way. For instance, in relation to your daughter ask her if your daughter's reaction was appropriate and what could have led to her bad feelings, discuss whether you both could have dealt with it differently.

Also ask her why it upset her so much that you didn't put your pledge slip in. This would be a good opportunity to tell her that you are not happy with the arrangement and that you feel that if/when you want to donate money you would rather do it from your heart rather than having your hand forced in providing a set amount.

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Anyone have watchtower 15 july 1997 The investigative Judgement article?

by barry in

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friends

i would like to see this artical being a former adventist the investigative judgement doctrine was generated after the dissapointment in 1844. from what i have read this artical by the wt also mentions sda scholars that have theological problems with the investigative judgement and many adventists don't believe it even though it is one of the sda main beliefs.

barry.

Listener

Seeing that the WTBTS felt it's own teachings are far superior to the SDA's, an offer to get their own scholars (cough, cough) together with the SDA's scholar's to nut it out would be far more appropriate than tearing their teachings down in their own publications.

It is refreshing to see that the SDA allow and even encourage discussion of their main teachings in a very open way, without disfellowshipping anyone.

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Musings on recent things

by thedog1 in

just some thoughts on all the recent things going on.

i'm still recovering from the whole donation arrangement thing.

was speaking to some relatives who are also jw's and they don't really get what is going on but sense in some way that things are not right.

Listener

It is very wrong of the organization to even suggest that pioneers should not return to care for their parents even though other JWs may be looking after them. That should be something for the parents and children to decide upon. They are using be judgement for a start.

Why would you then trust them to spend your money wisely?

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July 2014 Kingdom Ministry PDF

by Brother Mike in

july 2014 kingdom ministry download: pdf.

https://7972f199-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/jehovahswitnessesmedia/our-kingdom-ministry-download/km_e-us_e_201407.pdf?attachauth=anoy7cpwh7prpcqqvposxeiepagyxcpry27f1s1bgazei0lylguwfnbw_jw9050pi2sjvljf3seu14jwbs7d1lwxxd_zfhpvaovnhltvjdb-qsxxjwalllcyoqaetwo0ysojx1byjt0q4m-tyt5wqnn5fizbxmfw3-9sx1zauiiasovnwqpx5xrsg7fqlrq1n0pqesu4zsrbclcmlv_svbebylzcysblqw_boheouvwa6ihkftqaahrgm7vrobilj8ido1sldrl2tzws_sbljbqn5xawly_njg%3d%3d&attredirects=0&d=1.

once you click the link, on the next page click the word here.

Listener

Good link, thanks Bro Mike.

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Why Did the Governing Body Change Their Interpretation Of Matthew 24:45-47?

by Cameron_Don in

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friends

some have wondered if "captives of a concept" had anything to do with why the governing body changed their interpretation of the most important scripture in their theology at their annual meeting on october 6, 2012.. this is because the book places great emphasis on the societys interpretation of matthew 24:45-47 and then holds them to it while examining the organizations history to make sure that went on in its history fits their interpretation.

this comparison is essential to the societys claim to being gods organization.. their previous interpretation came from their former most imminent bible scholar president frederick franzs in his "gods kingdom of a thousand years has approached.

" their history comes from their "jehovahs witnesses proclaimers of gods kingdom.".

Listener

I believe the change was made because they wanted to take away any authority from the anointed and place it only upon the Governing Body.

On another point, since they have changed their idea that they have not yet been appointed over all Christ's belongings means that they were acting with no authority for all those years up until their change of thought in 2012. That is, they believed they had all authority up until 2012 and as such, they would have been acting with this knowledge and yet they now agree that this had not yet been given to them.

So if Jesus had appointed them in 1919 to feed the flock then they went way beyond this appointment by claiming he appointed them over all his belongings as well. Would Jesus have appointed such a body if they were going to misunderstand their appointment? Would Jesus appoint such a body if they were going to act beyond the authority he bestowed upon them? Have they made a public and private apology to Jesus for believing they had more power and authority than they now have come to believe?

Who was it that corrected their error in thinking that they were no longer appointed over all Christ's belongings. Surely if it was Christ then he would have made this appointment clear to them on the initial appointment in 1919. If they have so easily misunderstood their appointment then anything they have said (or fed the flock) would be full of misunderstandings, which is in fact what we see.

They have made it self evident that their thinking was just 'man's thinking' and their was never any appointment of any kind. It is a wonderful thing that by their own teachings they prove themselves wrong.

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The List, by "Prominent Bethelite"

by morloc in

i occasionally pop through here to catch up on the latest, but this time i'm going to pop my own post on here.. some of you internet oldsters may even remember this.

my first experience on the internet regarding discussions about jehovah's witnesses and the watchtower took place on a now-obscure usenet group, before i eventually stumbled across hourglass2.. during those days, there was a poster who went by the name "prominent bethelite," an otherwise anonymous individual whom i remember most for an extensive, exhaustive compilation of date-oriented remarks, predictions, and expectations by the watchtower organization down through the decades of its history.. it became known as "the list" and it's definitely lengthy... but a fascination look at the abundance of errant statements made through the watchtower's history.. if you're curious, it's been available for a long time on hourglass2's site, and can be seen using the link provided below.. the list, compiled by prominent bethelite (1999).

that's about it for this stop through here.

Listener

Marked

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Link to recorded Judicial committee with author

by confusedandalone in

jw
friends

can someone send me the link to that recording.

i rememer viewing it on here a number of months ago.. the wife wrote a book about some sexual stuff etc... please if you remember where it is please send me a link.

Listener

This is just one link to their youtube chanel (not the elders meeting)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTq-M4NwVJM

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Link to recorded Judicial committee with author

by confusedandalone in

jw
friends

can someone send me the link to that recording.

i rememer viewing it on here a number of months ago.. the wife wrote a book about some sexual stuff etc... please if you remember where it is please send me a link.

Listener

I don't think this is easy to find and whether it is available at all. They have had to delete the recordings from some online sites due to being pursued by someone. Sorry I am being vague.

The author is Kim and her husband is Mike. They post here and I think one posts as Newly Enlightened. They have a YouTube account and have made many Youtubes.

That recording was only the beginings of the amount of insight into the organization that they have personally provided.

An amazing couple.

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STARTING OVER with my Elderette - What Does the Bible REALLY Teach?

by Faithful Witness in

she said, "so, what made you decide to study this book?

at this point, she opened with a prayer.

"...and some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers.

Listener

"When they make adjustments, or we are given a new or clearer understanding, I usually just think... 'Why didn't we believe that all along?' I hear it, I check the scriptures, and realize they are right. For me, and I can only speak for myself of course, I am glad that we keep adjusting our path, so we can follow what the Bible really says."

This seems to be a common remark from JWs and once again she is not just speaking for herself, she's repeating an ingrained thought control.

Examining this statement is interesting.

If she were to reconsider what she was originally taught, without knowing the new teaching, would she still believe what that original teaching was? Of course she would. But and the big but is, that it was obviously wrong (from a JW standpoint) so why weren't questions being asked and why did she not closely examine this teaching?

"So we can follow what the bible really says" This is acknowledgement that they don't have the truth because they don't always follow what the bible says, otherwise they wouldn't need to make changes.

Who is telling her to make changes in her understanding? Is it the bible or is it men?

What she is really saying is that she loves the new teaching because it is easier to explain whilst witnessing and is easier to understand. She doesn't care about the truthfullness of the old teaching or the new teaching. As long as it comes from the organization she will find some way to adapt it into her own thinking.

You haven't, as yet, forced her hand into having to say that we need to wait on Jehovah for the answer to that question but she seems to present herself as a person who knows all the answers. This is what makes a JW such a prideful person, they think they have all the answers and this isn't from their own understandings, reasearch and thoughtful consideration but because they have been spoonfed those answers. Even when they know they are wrong they are right because they can turn to some twisted teachings for a reply that sounds good.

Get ready for her to use the statement about having to wait on Jehovah for a specific answer.

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2014 summer conventions to have live video and audio feeds

by dropoffyourkeylee in

i have heard from reliable source that this summer's conventions will feature video of various gb members as they speak and announce releases.

the regional (as opposed to the international conventions) will have numerous video monitors all around.

anyone else heard about this?.

Listener

It is telling that as they now have this modern technology available for use, they are not using a christian desire to provide the best for the r & f by choosing the best of their speakers rather than glorifying themselves.