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Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents

by Fe2O3Girl in

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.

we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".

Listener

Maybe the blood issue does play a big part in this. Especially in the area of strained relationships and the so called threat that the hospital would get orders to take charge.

The little boy underwent surgery approximately 10 days before he was taken away. It is 99% likely that the parents told the hospital that under no circumstances would they permit a blood transfusion if it became necessary, pretty much standard procedure for a JW. The hospital would have told the parents that they would not hesitate to get a court order if it was necessary. This is going to cause a strained relationship because the hospital has a duty of care that they know they would have to take certain action if needed.

The claim by the father that the hospital had already 'threatened' to have their authority taken away is more than likely but it may not have been in relation to seeking alternative treatment but rather regarding the blood issue.

News reports say that the hospital were willing for them to get a second opinion and that they would also support his endeavours to seek alternative treatment elsewhere.

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Letter of Reinstatement

by kayanow in

i'm new to this website and i thought i'd create a profile.

i was disfellowshipped in july of 2013 in another city.

i since moved and starting going to meeting about 6 months ago in my new city.

Listener

Kayanow, since the whole disfellowshipping arrangement is solidly backed by the bible, you will find all the answers you need there.

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JW Stained Glass Windows!

by Atlantis in

found this over on one of the jw sites.. .. stained glass.

jehovahs witnesses assembly hall, montreal,.... .. .. petra.

Listener

W 2002 4/1

Regrettably, such practices as using religious images and repeating prayers by rote also discourage reasoning. These practices, along with impressive architecture, elaborate stained-glass windows, and captivating music, more or less define the extent of the religious experience of millions

W 1989 4/15

Oh, how beautifully she decks herself out! She is famed for her stately cathedrals with their imposing architecture and stained-glass windows, her bejeweled pagodas and wats, her time-honored temples and shrines. True to the stylized fashions set by the great harlot, her priests and monks are arrayed in costly robes of scarlet, purple, and saffron.—Revelation 17:1.

And then there is this quote, the mother of them all

W 69 10/15

When you first go into a Kingdom Hall

THE BUILDING ITSELF ...

Thus such religious appendages that are not in accord with Bible truth are not displayed at the Kingdom Hall, thus avoiding that which takes away from the worship “with spirit and truth.”

In this vein, you will also observe that there are no stained-glass windows, as in many churches, to help create a hushed aura of artificial sanctity. Instead, the spiritual atmosphere at the Kingdom Hall is genuine, springing from a real interest in true worship and Biblical instruction. And the light, natural surroundings in the hall encourage those present to be outgoing and friendly, not inhibited by a mysterious imposed solemnity.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-31-2014 WT Study (FULL POTENTIAL)

by blondie in

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wt publications http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm (old).

united nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.

newly baptized brothers (not sisters) because the wts needs men to reach out.

Listener

We just need to look at how they treat people at Bethel to see that often there is little opportunity for them to reach their full potential. They will proudly tell stories of how certain individuals have been carrying out menial tasks for years on end. Instead of encouraging young brothers to keep their rooms clean they have sisters clean it for them. They are made to work long hours on boring tasks. Their pages and pages of rules on life at Bethel is very restricting.

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The Great Crowd Catch 22

by Perry in

just had a two hour conversation with my father.

he is insistent that he will be able to enter the kingdom of god as a member of the 'great crowd'.

he did agree that only the annointed are declared righteous.

Listener

Good on you for trying to show this to your father, the teaching makes no sense and they are blind to it.

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That 'Resurrection' video is cultish and scary but it couldn't actually harm anyone. Could it?

by nicolaou in

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my wife and i spent last evening, as so many did, concerned for the king family and their little boy ashya (bbc report).

it's clear that blood is not an issue in their decision to take ashya away from hospital and the vital medical attention that he needs.

the watchtower office of public information also denied "that their decision is in any way motivated by any religious convictions".. hmmm.

Listener

Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to seek the best medical treatment for themselves and their children,"

They now have the opportunity to prove that they really do this.

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Not on JW.ORG: Jehovah's Witnesses being sued again in California for Child Molestation by Pioneer/Servant. Abuse hidden from police by Elders and Watchtower Society.

by Balaamsass2 in

orange county lawsuit alleges sex abuse by jehovah's witness leadertwo men said they were abused in laguna hills as teenagers.. .

by eric hartley / staff writer.

published: aug. 27, 2014 updated: 7:44 p.m.. two men who say they were molested as teenagers by a jehovahs witness church leader in south orange county filed a lawsuit against him and the church this week.

Listener

Local Jehovah’s Witness officials could not immediately be reached Wednesday, and the church’s main legal and public information offices in New York didn’t respond to requests for comment. sts for comment.

Their silence speaks volumes. They could learn a great deal from their fellowmen, the catholics.

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That 'Resurrection' video is cultish and scary but it couldn't actually harm anyone. Could it?

by nicolaou in

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friends

my wife and i spent last evening, as so many did, concerned for the king family and their little boy ashya (bbc report).

it's clear that blood is not an issue in their decision to take ashya away from hospital and the vital medical attention that he needs.

the watchtower office of public information also denied "that their decision is in any way motivated by any religious convictions".. hmmm.

Listener

Phizzy had this comment on a different thread regarding this case

The Office of Public Information for Jehovah's Witnesses said in a statement: "There is absolutely no indication, as far as we are aware, that their decision is in any way motivated by any religious convictions.

"Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to seek the best medical treatment for themselves and their children,"

This is the deceitfulness of the organization. From all the records they do not know why the parents took their child out of hospital but they do and should have some indication that their decision was motivated by their religious convictions. JWs are told time and time again to put their religious convictions first in their life and it should affect every aspect of it. If they are not making decisions based on their religious convictions then they are not doing what the religion tells them to do.

Their hope of a resurrection would motivate them in their decisions, their hope for the future is what keeps them motivated. How much this has affected their actions we could not say.

The public comment they made rings as untrue as their next comment - that JWs are encouraged to seek the best medical treatment. This is far from the truth when they not only discourage blood transfusions but they forbid it. They also do not encourage blood fractions or anything related to blood, they simply leave that to the conscience of the parent.

It is shocking how, in front of the eyes of the world, they will deny their religion as having any influence on JWs.

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An important message from a PRACTICING Jehovah's witness

by Sparks in

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hi, i am also a practicing jehovah's witness and very proud of it,to say the very-very least..!

i am a middle-aged man with many decades of being a witness of jehovah god in england.. this important letter is personally to you, just as many of the bible's 88 letters are to be taken personal by you the reader.

i am writing to you to urge you to take stock of your life, think what your future holds for you.

Listener

I'm deeply sorry if you have been stumbled by some-one inside the congregation. I myself have been stumbled in the past. If you have studied the Bible over some time, you will know that Jesus gave an illustration about the weeds; Matthew 13:24-30 This illustration is talking about people inside the congregation that call themselves "Jehovah's witnesses" but are really imposters,even if they are baptized.Some elders are also weeds or "rocks hidden below the water"Jude verse 12. If you carefully read these scriptures you will see that these imposters are "planted" in the congregation by Satan the devil.

They are left inside the congregation until the "harvest" when they are ripped-out and tossed in to the fire. Jehovah may leave these weeds inside the congregation for a long time until the "harvest" or Armageddon. Bad elders are likened to rocks hidden below the water, because they "sink" boats [ brothers & sisters] in the congregation where they are drownd by Satan's world. These bad elders may also stay in the congregation until the end of this system of things. Jehovah leaves them in the congregation so you have the opportunity to stand-firm against Satan's tests like Jesus did in the wilderness; Matthew 4:1-12.

If you have been stumbled by either a weed or a rock under the water, then you failed the tests against you. This is nothing to be ashamed of,because "We all stumble MANY times" James 3:2, none of us are perfect. Even the Apostle Paul,an anointed Christian, had to fight constantly against his imperfection

As a practising JW, according to their teachings, you have the parable of the wheat and the weeds all wrong. Firstly they teach that the wheat are only anointed JWs, therefore 99% of JWs are not even considered to be 'wheat'.

You say that Jehovah leaves the bad elders in the congregation until the end of this system of things. This is riveting stuff. It wasn't God that put these elders there in the first place so it is the responsibility of the Governing Body to remove these bad elders. God isn't leaving them there so christians can be tested, the GB are just making excuses because they are failing in their job to ensure there are only men who properly qualify. Instead of cleaning up their mess they tell the sheepies to not even murmur against the elders and accept their wrongdoing without complaint - you will find these commands from the GB in even recent magazines. They don't even suggest you move from one congregation to another, you are just working outside the loving provisions provided by your leaders. In fact, often times, they have suggested to these bad elders that they move from one congregation to another.

You also state that these bad elders are planted by Satan. This is not what you are taught, in the past the GB say they have been appointed by Holy Spirit.

How can we even take you seriously when you yourself are going well outside of the WTBTS's own teachings?

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First post

by BenRichards in

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i've been lurking here off and on for a few years, figured i would introduce myself and share the clif notes version of my story.. i'm in my late 30's and was born in.

mom was a jw, dad wasn't.

got baptized in my teens and started dating my eventual wife.

Listener

Welcome Ben Richards. It is a big decision to make because of the risk of losing JW friends and family but it is understandable that you want them to know TTATT. It sounds like you've done well with just fading.