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I just realized something that I didn't realize before

by Island Man in

jws teach that only the anointed should partake of the emblems at the memorial because they are in the new covenant but the rest of jws are not.. well, if we follow that logic, shouldn't they also teach that only the anointed should pray in jesus' name?

they teach that jesus is the mediator between jehovah and the anointed only and that the "other sheep" are going to be beneficiaries of the new covenant but are not party to it.

the exact same reasoning applies to the memorial - the anointed are in the covenant but the "other sheep" are not.

Listener

This is how they explain it in the insight book, they explain that praying through Jesus in prayer is because of his role as High Priest, not as our mediator.

<<There are, thus, others not of the 144,000 “sealed” ones who also pray to Jehovah God in the name of Christ, putting faith in the merit of his ransom sacrifice. This sacrifice is not only for those for whom Jesus mediates the new covenant but also for all mankind expressing faith in Christ. (1Jo 2:2) These not in the new covenant also appreciate that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.” (Ac 4:12) They, too, look to Jesus Christ as their great heavenly High Priest, through whom they can approach God and through whose ministration they can get forgiveness of sin. (Heb 4:14-16) Revelation 21:22-24 points out that ‘the nations will walk in the light of New Jerusalem,’ where Jehovah God is the light and the Lamb Jesus Christ is the lamp.>>

Earlier on in this discussion they explain that Jesus has different roles, one as a mediator and one as a High Priest

<<Holding the offices of Mediator and High Priest, Jesus Christ, being immortal, is always alive and able to plead for those of spiritual Israel approaching God through him, so that he can mediate the new covenant until those persons receiving his mediatorial assistance are saved completely. (Heb 7:24, 25) He is able to conduct matters to the successful completion of the new covenant. Those in the covenant are eventually installed in the heavenly priesthood as underpriests with Christ, their great High Priest.—Re 5:9, 10; 20:6.>>

This is a doctrine that they rarely discuss. Most JWs have no idea that Jesus is not considered to be their mediator and it would appear that the GB would like to keep it that way unless they can somehow find new light to bring all JWs into this mediatorship. Given that the other sheep are now considered to be part of the household or domestics in the Faithful & Discreet Slave parable I can see this as a possibility. Also, when they introduced the new light about types and antitypes they explained that they generally would not be holding onto this idea that there are distinctions between who is being spoken of, the other sheep or the little flock.

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Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?

by GodZoo in

hi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.

in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.

possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.

Listener

What book is that freemindfade? It is quite incredible.

I agree with searcher, after spending so much time with him already you should ask him some questions to make him think and start to do some of his own research.

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Wolves in sheep clothing

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

i was baptized then i was 15 years old and just entering high school.

i had been a perfect jw teenager through out my high school years, although i craved to be a little bit worldly.

when i graduated high school, i moved out and got a job working with my older non-jw brother.

Listener

Thank you for sharing your story Israel and sorry to hear what you went through. It is important that these stories are written and shared with others. For those of us that have already left it confirms that our story is not unique and what we experienced was not because we were a bad person but because the organization is unloving.

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The True Meaning Of Burqa

by Bangalore in

found this on facebook.. .

bangalore.

Listener

Punkofnice asked why men don't wear similar attire. I wondered to so googled for an answer and this is what I got.

<<...

For instance, I’m sure at one time or another, we have looked upon an attractive man, whether purposefully or accidentally. It must have been hard for us to look away. But try to envision the task of lowering the gaze as twice or even ten times harder – that is, my dear ladies, what a man has to go through.

Another question- why do women have to pray behind men? It can’t be that women are less dignified or unfavorable in Allah’s eyes. It is because of the nature of man – he will lose himself and become preoccupied with other than that of his prayer. Women, however, are not as susceptible to this temptation and can pray behind men.

Generally speaking, fornication often occurs when a woman inclines the man toward something he already has a susceptibility to. If the woman is strong however, the man may have the desire but does not have the opportunity to sin.

So you see, hijab doesn’t push down on the status of women. The hijab serves as a protective barrier for not only the woman but also for a man, who is inherently attracted to the visual. Just imagine, the next time you step out without a hijab – you may be unaware of so much going on around you. Would you be happy to know the sins you have accumulated, the silent struggles of a brother who found it so difficult to lower his gaze from you?

You may be unaware, but Allah the All Aware, is not. There’s a good reason behind everything, just as there is a good reason behind hijab.>>

http://idealmuslimah.com/calling-to-allah/209-the-face-veil-niqaab/1740-why-men-dont-wear-hijab.html

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Pioneer school in 1000 words

by oppostate in

this strange photo is from a pioneer school graduating class in russia.. they're hiding their faces because, supposedly they don't want to be identified as jw's and run the risk of persecution.. the picture is very telling.

this very well illustrates how the pioneer school aims to make everyone into faceless drones whose minds are copies of wt indoctrinated automatons and not really individuals.. another thing i noticed when looking at the photo is that some aren't following the instructions to obscure their faces--some peek their eyes above the illuminators textbook and one is quite clearly exposing his profile as if he was talking to his neighbor in mid-shutter instant.. third, it's in russia, and the jw's aren't too welcome there.

communist oligarchs were quite acquainted with indoctrination and brain-washing techniques, they didn't like competition.

Listener

Thanks for the information Oppostate. No doubt it is a special book for a special people.

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Pioneer school in 1000 words

by oppostate in

this strange photo is from a pioneer school graduating class in russia.. they're hiding their faces because, supposedly they don't want to be identified as jw's and run the risk of persecution.. the picture is very telling.

this very well illustrates how the pioneer school aims to make everyone into faceless drones whose minds are copies of wt indoctrinated automatons and not really individuals.. another thing i noticed when looking at the photo is that some aren't following the instructions to obscure their faces--some peek their eyes above the illuminators textbook and one is quite clearly exposing his profile as if he was talking to his neighbor in mid-shutter instant.. third, it's in russia, and the jw's aren't too welcome there.

communist oligarchs were quite acquainted with indoctrination and brain-washing techniques, they didn't like competition.

Listener

I agree it is a strange photo. I wonder what those green books that they are holding are, they look like they are hardcovered.

What really stands out is that they are mostly females, only the back row are men, except for the one showing his profile on the side which makes me think he is not Russian and may have been a trainer flown in for the School.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

Listener

Edited

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News from Warwick

by Sour Grapes in

jw
friends

warwick update .

safety

safety is a 'culture'!

Listener

Good point scenic viewer.

These anointed are supposed to be going to heaven as kings and priests. You would think that now would be a good time to introduce them to the other sheep,getting them to record their life story and printing it in the watchtower, or at least their names.

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What is the "sign" of "Christ's Invisible Presence?"

by Fisherman in

the wts teaches, that from 1914 onward, a sign has been evident, which is proof of god's kingdom.

jw profess to see that sign.

a "sign" means evidence from god.

Listener

Finkelstein, if they changed the 1914 it would be a real demonstration that they are at least trying to teach truth but they can't change it for many reasons. The main reason is that they have taught that they use it as an identifier. Only they have been able to discern this knowledge because God revealed it to them and this identifies them as the one sole chanel of God..

It is a bit similar to their teaching regarding the identification of the other sheep around 1935. There is no biblical basis for this (that this group was identified in 1935) and they don't claim any but they do claim this was revealed to them. They are not sure as to how it was revealed and a Watchtower a few years ago said it might be through the resurrected anointed ones.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

Listener

I wonder what this guy did to get kicked out without notice? Maybe he will let us know in another video. Regardless, he wasn't treated properly. The least they could do is give him some money to tide him over for the next month. You don't just kick someone out with nothing when you have made a commitment to house and feed them.