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Where are they now?

by Sabin in

geoffrey jackson.

terrence o'brien.

vincent toole.

Listener

Aude Sapere - the public was advised in the submission from the RC as follows

Toole said that although he understood what was put to him, the Jehovah’s Witness organisation has not reported child sexual abuse on the understanding that only the mandatory reporting laws applied.741 Mr Toole confirmed that the organisation’s understanding was also his understanding.742
417 It is implicit in Mr Toole’s confession to a ‘wake‐up call’ that prior to being called to give evidence before the Royal Commission he did not advise elders from New South Wales of their obligations under the concealment laws. It follows that where elders in NSW formed the view that child sexual abuse had occurred they were obliged under sanction of the criminal law to report those cases to the police.
418 Mr Toole should accordingly be referred to the Law Society of New South Wales for possible investigation.

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Where are they now?

by Sabin in

geoffrey jackson.

terrence o'brien.

vincent toole.

Vincent Toole is still registered in New South Wales as a Principle of a law practice, details can be found on the website of the Law Society of NSW. His email address is also provided if you want to ask him what his status is.

From experience (with the CPA Society - Accountants) they are very protective of their members probably because they are the ones registered with them and they are the ones that pay fees to them.

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Stephen Lett at our assembly today

by StarTrekAngel in

he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

wife typed up the whole thing.

i will be posting when i get a chance.

Listener

Makemeanunbeliever

The name choice was coined due to fact I havent been to a meeting in years. However I tested out several faiths and made the person who studied with me at 25 make me a believer. I am affording those here the opportunity to make me an unbeliever if proven so. Nothing so far has moved me in that direction, quite the contrary exactly.

This is the difference. There are not a lot on here who now, do not let any man make them believe in anything. You obviously made a choice at 25 to allow a person you studied with talk you into being a 'believer'.

Makemeanunbeliever - Common sense tells me that with such arrogance here among laymen calling me names would pale in comparison to a man that he and his people viewed as a god. Add to that he being visited by a common man with a speech impediment. Hope that helps.

I can't make any sense out of this. Which man was viewed as a god and who was visited by a common man with a speech impediment? I know that we are talking about Moses who had the speech impediment but who are you saying was Moses visited by?

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Stephen Lett at our assembly today

by StarTrekAngel in

he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

wife typed up the whole thing.

i will be posting when i get a chance.

Listener

Makemeanunbeliever - Moses had a speech impediment. God doesnt choose what we think he should choose. His advice was sound.

Where is the proof that God chose Lett and why are you comparing Lett to Moses?

Do you really think that using the illustration of going down in an elevator is an undesirable thing is sound advice?

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Gay advice from the Governing Body

by Listener in

according to them you are not gay if you are attracted to the same sex, it's just hormones and you might grow out of it.. i wonder what hormones in particular they are talking about and if they feel that a female who goes through menopause is in danger of turning gay or even if taking hormones will adjust your thinking?.

this is from the wt org website.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/pressure-to-be-gay/.

Listener

According to them you are not gay if you are attracted to the same sex, it's just hormones and you might grow out of it.

I wonder what hormones in particular they are talking about and if they feel that a female who goes through menopause is in danger of turning gay or even if taking hormones will adjust your thinking?

This is from the WT org website

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/pressure-to-be-gay/

I’m Attracted to the Same Sex—Does That Mean I’m Gay?

Not at all!

Fact: In many cases, same-sex attraction is nothing more than a passing phase.

That’s what Lisette, 16, who was at one time attracted to a girl, found. She says: “Through my biology classes in school, I learned that during the adolescent years, hormone levels can fluctuate greatly. I truly think that if more youths knew more about their bodies, they would understand that same-sex attraction can be temporary and they wouldn’t feel the pressure to be gay.”

All youths face a choice—either to adopt the world’s degraded view of sexuality or to follow the high moral path set forth in God’s Word

But what if your attraction to the same sex seems to be more than a passing phase? Is it cruel of God to tell someone who is attracted to the same sex to avoid homosexuality?

If you answered yes to that last question, you should know that such reasoning is based on the flawed notion that humans must act on their sexual impulses. The Bible dignifies humans by assuring them that they can choose not to act on their improper sexual urges.—Colossians 3:5.

The Bible’s stand is not unreasonable. It simply directs those with homosexual urges to do the same thing that is required of those with an opposite-sex attraction—to “flee from fornication.” (1 Corinthians 6:18) The fact is, millions of heterosexuals who wish to conform to the Bible’s standards employ self-control despite any temptations they might face. Those with homosexual inclinations can do the same if they truly want to please God.—Deuteronomy 30:19.

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My First Bad Strawberry Festival Day-3/3/13

by Loi_241 in

i wish that it was not my day.

oh, god.

why was that happen?

Listener

One of my favourite deserts is a sponge cake filled with strawberries and cream with chocolate drizzled over the top.

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EXJW's in Mensa?

by Luther bertrand in

jw
friends

any exjw's or faders out there in mensa?

any online groups for this niche?

Listener

In JW land being too smart is not good. We were told that was the problem with scientists and they made up the idea of evolution so that everyone would think they were so clever.

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Preaching? For what purpose? All JW's need to ask this question.

by park ave boy in

what is the purpose of preaching if not for converts?.

basically, preaching by the jw's is to make converts.

this in itself implies that jehovah's witnesses believe that they alone have the only acceptable way to god and that everyone else is just not worthy.

Listener

They call into judgement all other Christians with the self proclamation that they are the 'closest to the truth'.

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Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

by OrphanCrow in

court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

Listener

w 58 9/15

Dilemma of the Confessional
SUPPOSE you had a dear friend who was soon to be hanged for a murder he was innocent of, convicted upon perjured and circumstantial evidence. Then suppose the murderer came to you and confessed his guilt. Would you not immediately notify the police so that your innocent friend would not need to die? Of course you would! But if you were a Roman Catholic priest, and this man had confessed to you, you would have to stand helplessly by as your dear friend died for a murder he did not commit. Fantastic? Not according to Catholic theologians.
Thus the Catholic Herald, London, England, May 9, 1952, in its question column published the following: “Can the seal of confession be broken by a priest in the interests of justice, e.g., in such a grave matter as murder? No. Nothing whatever, except the consent of the penitent (which he can never be obliged to give), can release a priest from the seal. . . . even if the circumstances were such that the priest thought it the criminal’s duty to give himself up—even to save an innocent life—the priest himself could never make use of knowledge which does not belong to him at all, but only to God.”
Two actual incidents illustrate the foregoing: “Returns Bank Loot, Won’t Bare Thief. Priest’s Lips Sealed. . . . part of the money taken by a repentant bank robber has been returned by a Denver priest to whom he confessed, but authorities still don’t know his identity. The Roman Catholic priest, with a ‘sacred obligation’ to reveal nothing heard in the confessional, yesterday returned to authorities $6,850 in bills he said was part of $7,780 taken in a daylight robbery here Feb. 17. . . . The United States attorney said the priest promised to relay a message that partial return of the money would not absolve the robber of ‘criminal responsibility.’ ‘I hope now that he will decide to clear his conscience entirely by coming to the proper authorities,’ said [attorney] Kelley.”—Los Angeles Herald & Express, April 13, 1955.
The second incident was reported by The Inland Register, a Spokane, Washington, Roman Catholic weekly, August 14, 1953. It told of an item that appeared in the London Times regarding a priest to whom a certain convict, thinking he was dying, confessed as having committed the crime for which another man was serving a sentence. The convict recovered, but upon his death, a year later, the priest revealed his confession, causing the innocent man to be set free. It was pointed out that even death does not free a priest from his seal, and that if true, this was perhaps the first time in history in which a priest broke his seal and revealed what had been told him in a confession.
Look out: perhaps there may be some man that will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ.—Col. 2:8.

It's so sad to see a religion that once thought it was the right thing to report crimes to authorities to protect other people was, without question, the right thing to do. Even emphasizing the point with an exclamation mark and that it was 'fantastic' that the Catholic Church put themselves under constraint not to do so.
According to the scripture quoted, people become prey when they find themselves subject to men's ideas rather than applying the morality encouraged through the bible.

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The slow trickle has become a steady stream!

by freddo in

jw
friends

in the last few weeks it seems that instead of one or two new posters a week we seem to be getting several every day.

many seem to be long time jw's who are troubled by the path of the organisation.

this is really encouraging to those of us who have been here sometime.. welcome!

Listener

There was a rumor that a meeting was recently held at HQ and a number of higher ups were invited. The purpose of the meeting was specifically to set up a taskforce to deal with apostates.

One of these rumors come from Youtuber - the unwitness and he was passing on some information by someone he has been in contact with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtkXt9BE1vw

He believes that the GB has trolls or internet guys who are going to tackle the problem through one method or another, such as sewing seeds of mistrust through social networks.

If this is true then we need to be extra vigilant. It is possible that they could pose as Elders (for trust) who are 'disillusioned' but prepared to stay in the congregation and not discuss any of their issues with either friends in the congregation or their partners. We all know the reasons why many choose to do this anyway but the more trolls that come on and actively encourage it the harder it is for people to actively leave.

I think it is very telling for a new poster, who claims to be an Elder or MS and doesn't want to be specific about TTATT in their personal experience. Not that it is much of a problem, there are some smart people on here that will quickly out them.

I loved that game that Slimboyfat played with us here about truth or lie.

As one poster (ToesUp) has already mentioned, if someone needs to stay then not donating is a very positive move, great advice.