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  Just in time for Memorial season...

  by OutsiderLookingIn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is short and quick but maybe it's a seed to plant in the 10 days until the memorial.

  i have talked to jws who tell me their reason for not eating the bread and drinking the cup is because that was only a new covenant with his disciples (and in their wonky extension, the 144,000).

  but i just thought of a few things.

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  The other sheep are simply assisting the anointed. They do recognize that it is the anointed that has been given the responsibility of preaching/teaching but since they have asked the other sheep, the other sheep are required to be obedient to the anointed and assist them carrying out this work.

  W07 11/1

  This is so because he uses the anointed to proclaim the Kingdom message. The “other sheep” help in bringing spiritual refreshment to people by actively supporting the anointed in the preaching work. (John 10:16) What a privilege it is to share in this work, which brings true refreshment to others!

  However, it gets even more interesting when you consider that not long ago they viewed the other sheep as their 'belongings' in relation to the FDS parable. They are no longer belongings but 'domestics' but as 'belongings' they believed this applied -

  
  

  W08 8/15
  

  GOD’S WORD identifies anointed Christians who are caring for Christ’s interests on earth as “the faithful and discreet slave.” When Christ inspected the “slave” in 1918, he found those anointed ones on earth to be faithful in providing spiritual “food at the proper time.” Hence, Jesus, the Master, was pleased thereafter to appoint them “over all his belongings.” (Read Matthew 24:45-47.) In this way, before receiving a heavenly inheritance, anointed ones serve other worshippers of Jehovah here on earth.
  2 A master has authority over his belongings, or possessions, and he can use them as he chooses. The belongings of Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s enthroned King, embrace all Kingdom interests on earth. That includes “a great crowd” seen by the apostle John in vision. ...
  3 Members of that great crowd are among those referred to by Jesus as his “other sheep.” (John 10:16) Their hope is to live forever on a paradise earth. ....
  4 .... They are not independent but willing to serve under the direction of the heavenly King and his anointed brothers on earth.
  5 Anointed Christians have met and will continue to meet severe opposition from Satan’s world. Nevertheless, they can rely on the support of their companions of the great crowd. While anointed Christians are now few in number, the great crowd yearly increases by hundreds of thousands. The anointed are unable to oversee personally each of the some 100,000 Christian congregations throughout the world. Thus, one aspect of the support that the anointed receive from the other sheep is that qualified men of the great crowd serve as congregation elders. They help care for the millions of Christians now entrusted to “the faithful and discreet slave.”
  6 The willing support given to anointed Christians by their companions of the other sheep was foretold by the prophet Isaiah. He wrote: “This is what Jehovah has said: ‘The unpaid laborers of Egypt and the merchants of Ethiopia and the Sabeans, tall men, will themselves come over even to you, and yours they will become. Behind you they will walk.’” (Isa. 45:14) In a symbolic way, Christians with an earthly hope today walk behind the anointed slave class and its Governing Body, following their leadership. As “unpaid laborers,” the other sheep willingly and wholeheartedly expend their strength and their resources in support of the worldwide preaching work that Christ assigned to his anointed followers on earth.—Acts 1:8; Rev. 12:17.
  7 ... By exercising faith and displaying loyalty now, he shows that he will respond well when the King gives him directions in the new world.

  
  
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  Conspiracy: Did the Watchtower set the memorial for the 23rd, because the GB practice Gematria? see for your selfs.

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i have been thinking.

  i know this is something taboo to the dubs, but f them.

  i am a free moral agent.

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  Does this mean they will be a month behind the Jews every year going forward?
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  Greg Stafford no longer a JW

  by My Struggle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this may be old news to some while most won't even know who he is.

  in case you don't know him, he was a jw that defended many of the jw doctrine publicly.

  he did this mainly in the form of two books, jw's defended and three dissertations on the teachings of jw's.

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  He posted on his blog on the 6th January, 2016, knocking the JWshttp://elihubooks.blogspot.com.au
  
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  Why all the secrecy in Gods organisation?

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  looking back and seeing all the secrecy and cover ups throughout wt history such as the secret elders books, the branch correspondence guidelines, the shameful lying and deceipt exposed during the arc questioning, the in-house way of dealing with things, the lack of openness to the media on issues such as blood or child abuse or anything controversial for that matter.

  could this relate in some way to russell's alleged past as a freemason?

  it seems quite strange that the founder of the bible students quite possibly may have been a freemason, (an organisation well known for its secrecy).

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  CrazyGuy, I don't know how you can allow your boys to have a study with an MS and it's even worse that you are not even home. It is inappropriate, at the very least he should have his wife with him.
  
  
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  2016 Regional Convention - Invite First Look

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you saw it here first!.

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  "No collection will be taken". Who's going to collect all the money dropped in the collection boxes and who's going to collect all the eftpos transactions?
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  Part 3- Finale- Settlement Meeting with Circuit Overseer

  by Randy M. in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this is the finale of my meeting with watchtower's circuit overseer henry turner in an attempt to reach a settlement agreement with some kind of resolution .

  if you watched the 1st 2 parts you will need to see this because it is in my opinion the best part.

  i have also included more still shots of the players so that it will be easier to follow.

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  The CO can't think for himself. The manipulation is sickening. This is the kind of guy that they reckon will be appointed a prince after Armageddon. If this is how he thinks problems should be sorted it would be comical to see the mess they create.
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  The people are mobilizing Mr Drumpf

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  protesters shut down a trump rally.

  massive numbers of people are out in chicago and have shut his event down.

  there were scuffles inside the event.. despite his lame attempt to pretend the violence he instigates is nothing to do with him it's clear that it is as the cnn quotes during the last event showed only too well.. this doesn't happen at anyone else's events - candidates have even given up the stage to protesters, not called for them to be beaten and punched.. trump is an ugly person and this is just a small taste of what a future under his rule would be like.. shame on the gop for not kicking his ass out.

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  If he thinks that the violence has nothing to do with him then I gather he doesn't have any body guards. It's amazing that he's still around.
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  Hiererchy among elders --so says Kenneth Flodin

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there has always been a hierarchy among elders.

  now it's been validated by kenneth flodin in this talk about the word "princes".

  so not any elder can be a prince in the new order.

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  His assumptions are very offensive to every Elder serving. He is telling them that Jesus will appoint men from amongst those in positions higher than themselves, the CO's and GB helpers. There are a number of Elders who have more sincere spiritual qualities than those serving higher up. It's usually their circumstances or their being overlooked for appointment that keeps them in the positions that they are in. They are the ones that have had families and take their jobs seriously in being the financial provider.

  They pretend to know what is going to happen in the future and have been spouting off with new ideas of late. Jackson made mention of it in this months Broadcast. They are pulling out their ideas from nowhere but rattle of scriptures plucked from here and there and in this case, Flodin reads out from publications as if they are from the bible itself.

  Why is it that immediately after Armageddon the number required to serve as 'Princes' will be significantly reduced? As a rough estimate there would be approximately 1 CO for 75 Elders (I've got no idea and it is purely based on 1 CO controlling 15 congregations with 5 Elders in each). That's one 'Prince' for every 1,500 people. He's instantly going to need superhuman powers.

  Then Flodin has to somehow include the females. They've been doing this a lot lately. Even though there will be no such appointments for them (unless they're going to heaven) but they must reach out and attain the same qualities as the Elders. He twisted the scripture which explains the qualities required of appointed men, even though he denied it in one breath but by doing so, he says females should be taking on the role of 'presiding over her own household'. (1 Tim 2:3&4). Surely they see that as the husbands role but this just demonstrates how they're happy to misapply scripture.

  It really irked me when he said that twice a year they review MS's to see whether they should be appointed as Elders. How about they implement a system where twice a year, they review whether an Elder, CO, GB helper and even a GB member should retain their positions? Their whole structure would fail if they were responsible enough to do this.
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  "I hope Disfellowshipped ones do not attend the Memorial"

  by AFRIKANMAN in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  d---head comment ...by someone called jay witness on that forum-.

  what a smug bunch of pharisees they breed !

  """it makes me feel odd to invite tons of worldly people who are obviously fornicators and idolaters and then not be able to even show a little love such as a "hello" to a disfellowshipped brother or sister.

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  My guess Sabin is, that as the JW Administrator, he is subtly trying to wake people up.
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  Funny things to not do at the Memorial

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  pull out a can of cheese whiz, top the bread with it, and take a nibble.. .

  say really loud...."oh, wow!

  jesus' body is really tasty this year!".

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  This thread is so funny.
  Bring your own glassc and when the person next to you is about to pass you the official wine, toast them and clink the glass