Ray Franz was disappointed that the bible was rarely used. There's no evidence of it being used in the case of the generation teaching. Splane even told his audience to come up with their own scriptures that they think might apply, it doesn't get much crazier than that.
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PAINTING THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER or WHY was the "GENERATION" teaching started in the 1st place?
by Terry insetting the scene.
pastor russell died in 1916. those who had 'followed' him were known pejoratively as russellites.
you could call it a 'cult of personality' if you wanted to sneer.
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Disturbance during Memorial 2016.
by Ben131895 intwo documented disturbances during memorial 2016. type 'memorial 2016' on youtube.
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Coming to terms with the Watchtower experience
by Lee Elder init is a challenge coming to terms with your experience as a jehovah's witness.
if you were born and raised as a jw, and your parents were true believers, the impact on your life is profound, lasting, and largely negative.
in some cases quite abusive emotionally, spiritually, financially, educationally and yes, even sexually.. i recently watched "trumbo", and was quite moved by dalton trumbo's speech to the screen writers guild in 1970. here is an excerpt that i think is quite relevant to this topic:.
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Welcome faith no more, you are right àbout being victims, I think it is worse for those of us who were born in and knew nothing else. -
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PAINTING THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER or WHY was the "GENERATION" teaching started in the 1st place?
by Terry insetting the scene.
pastor russell died in 1916. those who had 'followed' him were known pejoratively as russellites.
you could call it a 'cult of personality' if you wanted to sneer.
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Hello Everyone!!!
by Christian Gutierrez inmy name is christian and my wife is katja, and we have been out of the organization for a year and a half.
we were both regular pioneers and i was a ministerial servant.
we were very much happy to be witnesses and doing our best to do more for the organization.
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Hi guys, nice to have you here.
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A new article on Gerrit's thinking on "Going to College is like pulling the trigger to our mouth"
by opusdei1972 ini have written a new article about how truthful is gerrit's comparison.
as you may know, in 2005 gerrit losch gave a talk in which he compared higher education with committing suicide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjh4qvmxyhy.
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It's great seeing Ttatt written in other languages.
If a four year uni course is like committing suicide then I wonder what four years as a GB member could be compared to, given that they control the minds of over 8 million people.
They recently said that they would not be sending any Bethelites to Uni because they could become too prideful.
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Disturbance during Memorial 2016.
by Ben131895 intwo documented disturbances during memorial 2016. type 'memorial 2016' on youtube.
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Greenhorn Christian - That's the first time I've ever heard that the generation began in 1992. I've only been out 4 years. Is this new or did I miss something?
This was the year that Freddie Franz passed away and they are using him as an example to generalize about the second group, the overlapping anointed. Without being absolute they are saying that any anointed prior to this year would be part of this generation that would not pass away.
You put an interesting slant on it because in effect it means the countdown of 'this generation' does now begin in 1992 (or thereabouts).
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These guys made a video afterwards discussing what went wrong, how they felt and what they were trying to achieve. Both were nervous and felt some level of personal closure.
The organization spends thousands of hours inviting the public with written invitations, they then brag about the number of hours spent doing this and the amount of people that attended. Part of their charity status is due to the fact that they make themselves available to the public in general and particularly, the Kingdom Halls are open to the public. These guys are exercising their rights in regards to religious freedom.
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Old Watchtower Volumes Online - Where Are They?
by berrygerry ini had in the past seen a website (possibly an archived site) which had pdf's of old wt and awakes.. i'm looking 60's, 70's, 80's.. anyone know of such a site?.
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There's always the library, ex JW reddit has a recent post linking a current version.
Thanks to Atlantis & Co. there is a huge set of files with scanned versions, it was done recently.
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New Light - Two Sticks in Ezekiel - July 2016 Watchtower
by Listener inezekiel 37:15-17 prophesies about two sticks being joined together to become 1. one stick represented the two tribe kingdom of judah and the other stick represented the 10 tribe of israel (ephraim).
the article explains how the coming together of these two sticks meant the reuniting of these tribes in 537 bce.the modern day fulfillment was previously taught to mean that the anointed had once again come together in unity in these last days.the july watchtower now explains that one stick, the stick of judah, represents the anointed and the other stick, the stick of ephraim, represents the other sheep.
they further explain that since 1919 god's people have gradually reunited to become one flock.they are now saying that the other sheep are represented by 10 tribes of israel.
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Ezekiel 37:15-17 prophesies about two sticks being joined together to become 1. One stick represented the two tribe kingdom of Judah and the other stick represented the 10 tribe of Israel (Ephraim). The article explains how the coming together of these two sticks meant the reuniting of these tribes in 537 BCE.
The modern day fulfillment was previously taught to mean that the anointed had once again come together in unity in these last days.
The July Watchtower now explains that one stick, the stick of Judah, represents the anointed and the other stick, the stick of Ephraim, represents the other sheep. They further explain that since 1919 God's people have gradually reunited to become one flock.
They are now saying that the other sheep are represented by 10 tribes of Israel. Unfortunately, this is not necessarily the case as they explain in small writing at the end of the article the following
(Edited - only the following part that is in bold and italics is quoted from the Watchtower, I had trouble with the formatting)<<It is interesting to note the progression that Jesus used when he told the illustrations that became part of the sign of his presence. First, he referred to “the faithful and discreet slave,” the small group of anointed brothers who would take the lead. (Matt. 24:45-47) Then, he gave illustrations that applied primarily to all those with a heavenly hope. (Matt. 25:1-30) Finally, he spoke of those with an earthly hope who would support Christ’s brothers. (Matt. 25:31-46) Similarly, the modern-day fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy points first to what would happen to those with a heavenly hope. Although the ten-tribe kingdom does not usually picture those with the earthly hope, the unification described in this prophecy does remind us of the unity that exists between those with an earthly hope and those with a heavenly hope. >>
The first part of this statement is just a red herring, to somehow explain why they are claiming that the joining of the stick was progressive and began in 1914 even though the other sheep were not identified until 1935 (being the second stick).
More interestingly they make a point to state that the ten tribes of Israel don't usually picture the other sheep but are now claiming that they do in this prophecy.
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JW Chef Refuses to Cook Black Pudding
by cofty insainsbury's has been forced to apologise after its jehovah's witness chef refused to serve a customer black pudding with his full english breakfast.alan mackay was stunned when he was told he could not enjoy the staple, made up of animal fat, blood and oatmeal, with his meal at the branch in arnold, nottingham.after receiving his incomplete dish the former police officer was told the black pudding would not be served because it was against the religious beliefs of the chef to do so....
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Before our trip to the UK, I said to my husband that we will probably get black pudding with our breakfast. He said no problem, he was willing to give it a try. He quickly changed his mind when he first saw and smelt it, there was no way he was going to eat it.
It doesn't look nice and smells bad. I imagine there would be a number of chefs who find black pudding objectionable and don't like cooking this stuff but do it anyway because it's part of their job.
Fortunately for us we only came across black pudding the one time.