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New Light - Two Sticks in Ezekiel - July 2016 Watchtower

by Listener in

ezekiel 37:15-17 prophesies about two sticks being joined together to become 1. one stick represented the two tribe kingdom of judah and the other stick represented the 10 tribe of israel (ephraim).

the article explains how the coming together of these two sticks meant the reuniting of these tribes in 537 bce.the modern day fulfillment was previously taught to mean that the anointed had once again come together in unity in these last days.the july watchtower now explains that one stick, the stick of judah, represents the anointed and the other stick, the stick of ephraim, represents the other sheep.

they further explain that since 1919 god's people have gradually reunited to become one flock.they are now saying that the other sheep are represented by 10 tribes of israel.

Listener

A couple of posters have made comments regarding 537 BCE, this is part of what they have written

In 607 B.C.E., the southern two-tribe kingdom and perhaps any remaining ones from the northern kingdom were taken into exile in Babylon.The kings in the line of Judah had ruled these two tribes, and the priesthood was associated with them, for the priests served at the temple in Jerusalem. (2 Chron. 11:13, 14; 34:30) So it was fitting that the two-tribe kingdom would be represented by the stick that was “for Judah.” When were these two symbolic sticks joined together? It was when the Israelites returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple in 537 B.C.E. Representatives of both the two-tribe kingdom and the ten-tribe kingdom returned together from exile. No longer was there a division between the sons of Israel. (Ezek. 37:21, 2

Notice how they are purely speculating when mentioning 607BCE?

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Disturbance during Memorial 2016.

by Ben131895 in

jw
friends

two documented disturbances during memorial 2016. type 'memorial 2016' on youtube.

Listener

You guys are right, it was wrong to use Jesus as an example.
I do believe these guys (the unwitness and Parker) had every right to do this. They were lied to and denied the opportunity to partake as JWs. It was a peaceful statement.

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PAINTING THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER or WHY was the "GENERATION" teaching started in the 1st place?

by Terry in

setting the scene.

pastor russell died in 1916. those who had 'followed' him were known pejoratively as russellites.

you could call it a 'cult of personality' if you wanted to sneer.

Listener

Ray Franz was disappointed that the bible was rarely used. There's no evidence of it being used in the case of the generation teaching. Splane even told his audience to come up with their own scriptures that they think might apply, it doesn't get much crazier than that.

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Disturbance during Memorial 2016.

by Ben131895 in

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friends

two documented disturbances during memorial 2016. type 'memorial 2016' on youtube.

Listener

Seems that there are some on here that would say Jesus was wrong in turning over the Money changers tables in the temple.

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Coming to terms with the Watchtower experience

by Lee Elder in

it is a challenge coming to terms with your experience as a jehovah's witness.

if you were born and raised as a jw, and your parents were true believers, the impact on your life is profound, lasting, and largely negative.

in some cases quite abusive emotionally, spiritually, financially, educationally and yes, even sexually.. i recently watched "trumbo", and was quite moved by dalton trumbo's speech to the screen writers guild in 1970. here is an excerpt that i think is quite relevant to this topic:.

Listener

Welcome faith no more, you are right àbout being victims, I think it is worse for those of us who were born in and knew nothing else.

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PAINTING THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER or WHY was the "GENERATION" teaching started in the 1st place?

by Terry in

setting the scene.

pastor russell died in 1916. those who had 'followed' him were known pejoratively as russellites.

you could call it a 'cult of personality' if you wanted to sneer.

Listener

The boardroom meeting where they discussed this idea would have been fascinating to hear.

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Hello Everyone!!!

by Christian Gutierrez in

my name is christian and my wife is katja, and we have been out of the organization for a year and a half.

we were both regular pioneers and i was a ministerial servant.

we were very much happy to be witnesses and doing our best to do more for the organization.

Listener

Hi guys, nice to have you here.
You're YouTube's are great and I am sure you are helping lots of people. Keep up the good work.

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A new article on Gerrit's thinking on "Going to College is like pulling the trigger to our mouth"

by opusdei1972 in

i have written a new article about how truthful is gerrit's comparison.

as you may know, in 2005 gerrit losch gave a talk in which he compared higher education with committing suicide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjh4qvmxyhy.

Listener

It's great seeing Ttatt written in other languages.

If a four year uni course is like committing suicide then I wonder what four years as a GB member could be compared to, given that they control the minds of over 8 million people.

They recently said that they would not be sending any Bethelites to Uni because they could become too prideful.

There's no reason why they couldn't rotate the GB positions given that it's not the GB members individually that are the FDS but only a group of anointed men when coming together are the FDS.

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Disturbance during Memorial 2016.

by Ben131895 in

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friends

two documented disturbances during memorial 2016. type 'memorial 2016' on youtube.

Listener

Greenhorn Christian - That's the first time I've ever heard that the generation began in 1992. I've only been out 4 years. Is this new or did I miss something?

This was the year that Freddie Franz passed away and they are using him as an example to generalize about the second group, the overlapping anointed. Without being absolute they are saying that any anointed prior to this year would be part of this generation that would not pass away.

You put an interesting slant on it because in effect it means the countdown of 'this generation' does now begin in 1992 (or thereabouts).
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These guys made a video afterwards discussing what went wrong, how they felt and what they were trying to achieve. Both were nervous and felt some level of personal closure.

The organization spends thousands of hours inviting the public with written invitations, they then brag about the number of hours spent doing this and the amount of people that attended. Part of their charity status is due to the fact that they make themselves available to the public in general and particularly, the Kingdom Halls are open to the public. These guys are exercising their rights in regards to religious freedom.

We don't blink an eyelid when we see objectors disrupt public political rallies.

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Old Watchtower Volumes Online - Where Are They?

by berrygerry in

i had in the past seen a website (possibly an archived site) which had pdf's of old wt and awakes.. i'm looking 60's, 70's, 80's.. anyone know of such a site?.

Listener

There's always the library, ex JW reddit has a recent post linking a current version.

Thanks to Atlantis & Co. there is a huge set of files with scanned versions, it was done recently.

http://avoidjw.org/watchtower-awake-magazines/