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  My Last Study Unit - Sigh!!! - If only I'd studied it 65 years ago

  by fulltimestudent in

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  2. friends

  semester 2 commences next monday, and the study unit i'm taking will be my last as a undergraduate.

  i've spent 8 years wandering around asian (west and east) history, and i should have graduated a year ago, but mu now has a rule that all ugs must take a two units of study outside their field of study.. so starting monday i will apply my mind to the question implicit in the unit's title: .

  why people believe weird things: making rational decision's in an irrational world.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.

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  If you get the chance, it would be great if you could post some of the highlights you come across or conclude.
  
  I imagine that after 8 years you will miss your studies. Some people continue to study their whole life and find ways of contributing to society.
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  Just a little anecdote illustrating how out of touch the typical JW is

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this weeks book study lesson was on martha, the sister of lazarus.

  the chapter in the "imitate their faith" book praised her for being "industrious".. the conductor at our congregation meeting was just positively gushing about how "industrious" modern-day jw women are.. he was so exciting, he could barely get the words out.

  following is not an exact quote, but conveys the gist:.

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  Xjwsrock, what upsets you more about the song, the words or the females, on display, dancing half naked?

  Whenever I hear that song it reminds me of the Sadie vacuum cleaner, I can't remember what came first, the song or the vacuum cleaner. The song was really seen as just a bit of light hearted fun, I don't think anyone saw it as role playing.
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  Syllabus

  by Duncan in

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  2. friends

  haven't posted in years, but thought i would today, since something reminded me of this story..

  it's 1970 in our london-suburb congregation and it's the circuit overseer visit.

  as part of his talk on the saturday night this co - john anderson, anyone remember him?

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  Thanks for the laugh Duncan.
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  HOW the WatchTower leaders flipped the script on Christianity

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  worship of jesus was declared to be an act of idolatry!.

  we are going to examine the cataclysmic changeover in christian teaching exploding inside the watchtower religion in the early 50’s by exploring a background of the history of jesus’ place in christianity.

  jw teaching about the nature of jesus’ importance in the salvation of mankind will be compared with christian history.

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  Listener

  There is a lot to take in and the following comments just discuss one aspect.
  
  There's a Youtuber who has just uploaded a video titled "Who or What is God's Channel?" He's not a JW but I think he wrote a paper on JWs as part of his Uni Studies and continues to be interested in the relgion.
  
  In summary he states that according to the Watchtower you cannot question or challenge or disagree with that Chanel. Yet they are teaching things that are not true. Just reading the Finished Mystery will prove that.
  
  He claims that God's channel of communication is not man or any group of men but it is through man and it is a matter of whether we, or anyone, utilizes his channel. His channel being his infallible word, the bible.
  
  An example is when Peter helped the eunuch to understand the bible. Peter didn't act as the channel, the channel was the bible, Peter acted as a supplement. Peter explains what God's channel is saying.
  
  He sees this viewpoint as much more bionically correct and consistent (when you look at how God's channel operated through biblical times) because God's channel should always be viewed as infallible, always inspired and should never be disagreed with because what God says is Truth and cannot be wrong.
  
  So in contrast, the Governing Body are fallible, non-inspired, error prone men, who should be questioned when they are teaching something that is false.
  
  He raises some good questions -

  When the GB teaches something that is false what are the biblical grounds for choosing to believe them anyway?
  
  When the GB teaches something that is false, what are the biblical grounds for condemnation when the GB is rightly challenged for teaching something that is false?
  
  If it is always wrong to question what was even recognized as God's Channel of communication then would it have been wrong for a 1st century Jew, before Jesus, to challenge the Pharisees (who were God's channel at that time)?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4keJNyANqrU
  

  One of his many points was that the Pharisees would have felt that they were Gods Chanel of communication and couldn't be question but Jesus entered the scene and questioned these leaders. So we have the situation where it was possible to challenge this Chanel.
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  Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  video is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".

  warning: your head might explode.

  especially past the 5:30 mark.

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  He has a go at apostates, accusing them of altering Watchtower publications and sites a 1910 magazine. He was at HQ and was able to look up an original copy. With the internet and their resources, have they even bothered to publish these on their website?

  If he really believed this was a problem, he would get something done about it. As a poster earlier pointed out, he was simply trying to promote mistrust in outside sources.
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  Morning Woship: Kenneth Flodin targets "apostates"

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  video is entitled "beware of deceit" he uses the letter of jude to show that current day apostates are deceitful and that they use "trickery" to and "twist facts" to try to "grab our mind".

  warning: your head might explode.

  especially past the 5:30 mark.

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  If we look at their unscriptural teachings today and know that they will df someone for believing otherwise we see how they do put their own teachings above the bible. We don't even need a 1910 quote to prove this.
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  "Who is Morris III?" Showed up in an FB thread--A surprising answer followed.

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  or maybe not so surprising after all, you be the judge....

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  Mad Irishman - he is one of those people who literally cannot talk about any other subject. I know born agains like this. I know JW's like this. He was in Vietnam. When he got out and became a Witness all those years ago he wouldn't shut up about it. It was in every one of his talks in the 70's.
  
  If the only subject he could talk about was the Watchtower then how did he manage to talk so much about Vietnam? Regardless, he sounds like a person prone to being obsessed.
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  What The Org Teaches: #1 DEALING WITH SINNERS

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  to help those who are fading and those who visit this site anonymously - due to org-induced paranoia regarding "evil apostates" - i'd like to offer some examples of doctrinal teachings for them to examine closely.. hopefully it will provide a bit of comfort for some, to see that their doubts are fully justified.. i'll post a few - one each day - to demonstrate that "the truth" of the org is not what j.w.

  one or two previous topics will be repeated for the benefit of new friends to the site.. what the org says: .

  if a sinner is found to have committed a serious sin, they should be confronted by a witness who has first-hand knowledge of the offender's sin.

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  It's great to see you back The Searcher and your contributions are greatly appreciated.
  
  You are spot on.
  
  There are so many inconsistencies with the org's policies.
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  The UN Files - Print Out And Keep For Your Next JW Visitor

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been researching the wt and the un involvement.

  when i was still in and i first seen the un letter online, my cognitive dissonance kicked and i told myself it'll be a fake.

  an apostate lie.. and seeing as no jw i've spoken to has ever heard of it, and flatly deny any involvement "no, they wouldn't do that", i decided to do a little "personal study" of my own.

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  The Branch Committee letter alone proves that the Watchtower registered and therefore became associated with the United Nations.
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  Brother & Sister-in-Law Return to Kingdom Hall After Two Decades, Quickly Get Stumbled

  by TMS in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it was a mild surprise, learning that a brother and sister-in-law had began re-associating with jehovah's witnesses after at least 25 years of being away.

  the couple, of hispanic ethnicity, are in their early 60's, with their five children all grown and independent.

  the family had been considered nominal jws, infrequently attending meetings, rarely in field service, but using the annual convention as their family vacation.

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  That's a funny thing about mowing the lawn. I remember it being a coveted task. All the blokes wanted to do it, rather than washing the windows, gardening, sweeping the carpark etc. I think it was something to do with men and their toys.