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2017 Annual Meeting

by Jules Saturn in

this just in from the 2017 annual meeting:.

1. watchtowers and awakes won't be released regularly, at least three watchtower and awakes per year.

6 magazines a year.. 2. a new book is being released: remain in god's love, more of an update like how they did for the what does the bible really teach book.

Listener

There was some leaked information reported at JW Reddit posted by NeedGreater approximately 2 months ago. The information has a lot of merit and he states

I had a recent conversation with someone who is very involved with the art/ teaching deparments at Bethel. He intimated to me that he was recently involved in a meeting that included a GB member and was focused on a shift in the JWs public preaching message. A scripture was read from Ezekiel 33:32,33 and explained to mean that the message would no longer be a peaceful message "like a romantic love song" but rather a direct message of judgement. Apparently this change will be rolled out in the upcoming annual meeting or shortly thereafter and he said that it has led to a revision of the early editions of the 2018 magazines. He's a very reliable source and has "leaked" information like this to me before that has all turned out to be accurate.
Anyone else heard about this?

However he did say that this is specifically to fulfill the "prophecy" regarding the preaching work right before the end. Not new just an interesting shift. Maybe they want to weed out the "Kevins" from the org now ;-)

As far as I have been able to pick up from posters who attended the meeting, the message has changed but at this stage it doesn't appear to be one of judgement (that's supposed to occur after the GT starts) but rather a focus on the vindication of God's name rather than saving people's lives.

Given that his information seems to be reasonably on target I wonder if they are just introducing the idea of a change in the message slowly and will gradually direct JWs towards a full on 'judgement message'. Their current tracts and publications don't reflect the change but the sheepies will need to place them before ramping up promotion of this change with new material for placement.

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All Donations Received @ KH During Annual Meeting Must Be Sent To The Branch

by thedepressedsoul in

i just got word that in all congregations where the annual meeting is being streamed, any donations received that day, even if put in the box for the local hall must be sent to the branch immediately.. there will be an announcement made before the program starts for this arrangement.

so the extra electric needed that day, heat/ac that the congregation has to pay for does not matter.

all money donated that day has to go to the branch..

Listener

John Davis - what defines a Congregation event as opposed to a Branch event?

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Stupid, stupid nonsense in the October JW broadcast

by sir82 in

so in the october jw broadcast, there is a "morning worship" segment in which g. jackson goes to great lengths to explain how the term "those taking the lead" are not "leaders".. the terms are exactly equivalent, of course, but jackson, with a wink & smirk, pats himself on the back for his own cleverness on how different they really are.it's just so bizarrely absurd.. imagine if such tortured reasoning were applied to other areas..... -------------------------------------.

restaurant manager: i'm sorry, the only position we have open is for dishwasher.

applicant: that's insulting!

Listener

You are correct in saying Jacksons 'morning worship' speech was bizarre.

He referred to leaders as sitting in the sideline barking orders a number of times. It was an excellent description of what the GB are doing.

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Elderly ex JW calls Bethel for answers

by Listener in

there's an interesting youtube where an elderly ex jw, john newsome calls the watchtower with a number of problems he wanted to discuss.

he told the elder that he wanted to discuss the un scandal, child molestation, failed dates and ray franz.

the call goes for over half an hour and is very exposing.the bethel elder says he doesn't want to discuss the issues in detail because it would take too long and proceeds to tell him that john needs to look at all of their righteous works.

Listener

There's an interesting Youtube where an Elderly ex JW, John Newsome calls the Watchtower with a number of problems he wanted to discuss. He told the Elder that he wanted to discuss the UN scandal, child molestation, failed dates and Ray Franz. The call goes for over half an hour and is very exposing.

The Bethel Elder says he doesn't want to discuss the issues in detail because it would take too long and proceeds to tell him that John needs to look at all of their righteous works. He also points out that we don't have the whole picture.

Basically it all comes down to the fact that since the GB are not infallible and imperfect, they don't need to explain anything about their wrongdoings. Because God has appointed them as the FDS to take the lead a JW must accept that otherwise having a lack of faith/trust in them is having a lack of faith in Jehovah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rXLUS2vysk

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Altered Scriptures?

by punkofnice in

my spies tell me that the jobos recently had a broadcast where 2 scriptures have been changed.. luke 22.26you, though, are not to be that way.

but let the one who is the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the one taking the lead as the one ministering.. 1 tim 3:1this statement is trustworthy: if a man is reaching out to be an overseer,+ he is desirous of a fine work.

i don't have the tech to locate the broadcast right now.

Listener

This comes from a Bethel morning worship presented by G Jackson and is shown in the Oct. monthly broadcast with the question "Are Elders taking the lead or are they leaders?" It's at the 40 minute mark. The purpose of his talk appears to be in demonstrating the beauty of their translation over many others, including the KJV and to tell Elders that their role was to take the lead rather than be leaders.

Re Luke 22:26, he states that "obviously, to take the lead means to do the work, to be a minister, to be a servant, to serve others" He then explains, it doesn't mean sitting on the sidelines barking out the orders but it means being involved.

He explains there is another 'subtlety in the revision' regarding taking the lead and is at 1 Tim 3:1 He says "it's not the office or the position of being an overseer that is something people reach out for but it's rather the work. The hard work that needs to be done by an overseer. An overseer needs to recognize that he needs to work hard as setting the right example and then others will follow, rather than just telling everyone what they should do."

He concludes by saying "So the text reminds Elders what they need to do, not sitting on the sidelines barking out orders but rather, to take the lead, to be in the forefront, do the work and then others will follow our example, just as we follow the example of Jesus."

At no time does he explain that Jesus is our leader but rather he says that he was taking a lead in the preaching work. His concluding comments reflect the same idea, otherwise how can Elders follow his example if he is the leader, rather than taking the lead?

IMHO I didn't think it was a very nice way of Jackson to explain that a leader is one who 'sits on the sidelines barking out orders'. Who does he think has this role within their organization?

Given that he was personally 'barking out orders' by telling Elders what role they had, is it really the Governing Body that is barking out the orders as they sit on the sidelines?

https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/WebHomeSlider/pub-jwb_201710_1_VIDEO

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Special event this weekend

by TweetieBird in

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was talking with a family member today and they said that there is something special going on at the kh this weekend.

any idea what it is?

they said that some kind of broadcast from bethel for everyone..

Listener

No, there is nothing special on this weekend. The Annual meeting will be on and goes for over 3 and a half hours. They'll be singing a new song in praise of their new headquarters and most monies collected are specifically for the Watchtower.

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Tutorial for Making Donations Electronically

by wifibandit in

tutorial for making donations electronically video will be considered the week of october 16, 2017.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_z32hlqw-0.

Listener

They equate the giving of money to the Watchtower as giving it to Jehovah or even back to Jehovah. It is so slanderous. God doesn't need money.

Since some of this his money is being used to compensate abuse victims then the are as good as saying that Jehovah is making this payment to them. Why would he do that when he had nothing to do with their wrongdoings.

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Only 144,000 saved in 2000 years?

by LevelThePlayingField in

so i phoned an elder in the cong and asked him: "when did the calling for the great crowd start, was it 1935?

he said, "no, i think i remember a convention talk about 1950.

" so anyway, i said, "so then let's say in the 20th century right?

Listener

Apalro, if your thoughts are from the bible, could you please support them by including a scripture for each of those claims?

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New light!.....DFed without being DFed

by Tight Pants Twinkle Toes in

it now appears that the wt can df you just by marking you.

this happened to my me and my wife a few week ago.

a marking talk was given at the mid-week meeting in which no names were mentioned yet a detailed description of the "offending bastards" was delivered so that there as no doubt who this "pond scum" might be.

Listener

That's wonderful news Darknight.

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marriage"equality" survey, Australia.

by zeb in

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the australian govt has set out a survey to see if people are in favour of changing the marriage act to include same sex couples.. hm here have received their papers?

the survey promises to be anonymous but has a substantial bar code at the bottom... anonymous yeah right.. the marriage act once said "two people" then a previous prime minister changed it to say "man and woman" all that is needed to amend this situation as required by the gay community is change it back again to "two people" there, done and dusted.. and millions of dollars need not be wasted on this survey which is not compulsory as is voting in australia.

can anyone here who still goes to kh tell us if this has had a ruling from the platform?.

Listener

The results will provide the government with an idea of what the public's views are. It is basically a survey.

There could be no biblical reason why JWs should not express there opinion, rather it would be a good opportunity for them to express it. For this reason, I don't think the org. Wants to make an official policy. It would confuse the JWs no end if the org said they could lodge their form.

It's not compulsory.

It's likely that the majority of Australians will vote yes but it will be interesting to see because they chose to gather opinions through a postal vote and not online, like they did for the recent statistics. Younger Australians rarely use the post, whilst older ones are comfortable with it. It's the younger Australians that are more likely to want same sex marriage.

In Australia, we have to post our letters at a post office or in a red box found occasionally on the side of a road. It's not all that convenient.