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  Rape by Elder led to a life of sexual abuse

  by Asian sister in

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  2. experiences

  i was raped by two brothers when i was 12 in vancouver.

  one was an elder who i trusted beyond belief and the other was his 18 year old son, who i had a huge crush on.

  it changed my life forever, i became a slut, sleeping with every brother i could of which there was an endless supply.

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  Listener

  Asian sister, other than sleeping with you is there any other way that we could assist you? Could you please advise what exactly it is that you are looking for from us.
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  Tony Morris Talk: "This Is It!"

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone direct me to the tony "tightpants" morris talk he gave in the agm where he revealed the new king of the north?

  i'm told via the jw grapevine it was entitled "this is it!"..

  is there a video?

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  Listener

  They played the first part of the AGM as the January 2019 Broadcast and I think they said that they would play the next two episodes within a couple of weeks from that, so it should be out soon.
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  Just wanted to share my little bit of good news.

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. family

  i haven't been posting here much lately, i think i only created one topic in 2018!

  but this is worth it.. i am a grandfather 😊.

  it happens all the time but damn, it feels good.

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  Listener

  That's wonderful news Nic, congratulations.
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  How to sue the WT over shunning policy. It CAN happen!

  by Bad_Wolf in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a very good document from a law school exploring religious freedom vs an individuals right to religious freedom without blackmail, pressure, etc, and also explores why certain lawsuits did not win and what it would take to win them.

  https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=3827&context=penn_law_review.

  a person born in, and whose parents or family pressured to shun because they simply left the religion, who has evidence of damages, etc, would likely have a good case if they find a good lawyer.

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  Listener

  This is a post I wrote on Reddit not long ago -

  A religion can be sued for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" if it can be proven. Note that it must be intentional and of an extreme nature. But this is very interesting and I do hope that someone pursues this in court. Have you seen the organization's policy of when a person becomes suicidal after being called to a JC? The instruction is to immediately back off and wait until things settle down. No doubt, if there was a suicide attempt after the Elders had been made aware of the vulnerability of the victim due to a JC then they could be sued because it could be claimed that the elders actions were deliberate and intentional in causing further distress. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the Watchtower tried to claim that the victim was not distressed because of the JC but because of their having sinned.

  I wonder if the organisation could be sued under this 'intentional infliction of emotional distress' in less serious situations because the organization is fully aware of the distress disfellowshipping has on JWs. They acknowledge it as inflicted discipline, although in Court, I'm sure that the org. would claim that the victim was fully aware and accepted the possibility of being dfd. But I would suggest to anyone being called up to a JC to tell the Elders that they would be extremely distressed if they had to attend or if they were dfd and they would sue the organization if they continued to pursue the JC or dfing on the basis of intentional infliction of emotional distress because they had now been pre warned (therefore a claim for it being intentional)
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  Simon's Forum Is More Than Just a Forum!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  friends:.

  simon's forum is much more than just a forum where we come to expose the watchtower.

  it is a place that simon wanted people to be able to come to, to receive help, support, or find a compassionate listener.. this forum has exposed the watchtower more times than any forum on the net.

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  Listener

  Thanks Atlantis for starting this thread and at such an appropriate time as a New Year dawns on us.

  Its sad to hear that a number of members here are in poor health and I wish them all the strength to endure.

  It's also sad to hear the price that Watchtower leakers have had to pay. Most of us can relate to this but we are winning the battle.

  It is so good to read those words Atlantis, that the Watchtower is deathly afraid. The Internet has been wonderful in exposing the organization and as you correctly point out, each of those individuals who have worked so hard, using the Internet and other means, are real people with their own stories to tell. I thank them all, for their time, their resources and mostly for the concern that they show their fellow man who are caught in an ugly cult.
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  Was J.F. Rutherford - Exonerated?

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the cornerstones of the watchtower society's claims about the 1918 trial of joseph f. rutherford and seven other co-defendants, is that the trial was a travesty of justice, where the defendants were railroaded off to prison.. to make their point, the society has repeatedly stated that joseph rutherford and his fellow defendants were "exonerated" of all charges, and subsequently released from prison fully vindicated.

  the society also attributed this 'victory' to jehovah's hand in matters, restoring the symbolic 'two witnesses' spoken of in revelation, and thereby, reactivating the kingdom preaching work.. what actually transpired is that the convicted defendants filed a petition for a "writ of error.

  " (trial transcript, pages 1-10, parts 1-30 ) the writ of error was allowed by the trial court, judge howe, and granted by the district court judge chatfield, whom the society earlier objected to and had removed from their trial, because they felt he would not be fair to them.. what does this mean?

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  Listener

  It's no coincidence that in the January 2019 Broadcast when discussing a brief history of the organization, they are now saying simply, that they were released from jail.
  
  Another milestone for the organization to celebrate this year is 100 years since the release of Rutherford from prison and the appointment of the FDS.
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  At 1.4% growth the last 2 years, it's safe to say, jw.org and cart witnessing is an abject failure!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so much for jehovah blessing this new arrangement.

  they are barely keeping up with the birthrate!

  so basically the org spent millions of dollars on their website and broadcasting so the only growth they are still getting comes from born ins and illiterate and superstitious folks from africa.

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  Listener

  It also means that JW dot org, JW broadcasting and all their recent changes are a failure. Their whole business is supposed to be about recruiting people and they are failing.
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  Geoffrey Jackson hints at the identity of the King of the North

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the big news at the annual corporate meeting was probably the sudden realization that gog of .

  magog was some group of nations.

  the news was given by geoffrey jackson.

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  Listener

  The OP on this thread is very interesting as it discusses the KON and reasoning as to why the GB were not saying who they believed it is.
  
  At the Annual Meeting four years ago Soctoma points out this comment as having been made by Geoffrey Jackson
  
  

  Finally he dramatically
  raised the question “So who is the King of the North?” The audience reacted to this question
  with an anticipatory audible buzz. Just the reaction Jackson was hoping for. He followed this up
  by saying “We can’t be sure - yet.” And then he raised expectations that when they get it figured
  out they will make it known.

  
  Scotoma then makes is own speculation as to why they wouldn't name the KON back then
  
  

  They will probably defend their confusion over the King of the North because it cleared the way
  for hundreds of thousands of new JW’s in Russia and its former republics. If they maintained the
  stance that the King of the North was Russia they would have risked the work coming under a
  ban. How could they be allowed to freely carry on their work and talk about Russia being the
  evil King of the North? To be sure they don’t want to be too quick to send out the message that
  Putin’s Russia is the King of the North that goes forth in a great rage to “annihilate and devote
  many to destruction.”

  
  Today, in Russia, the JWs are banned and it would appear that since the GB have nothing further to lose, they decided to reveal the KON as Russia in their recent Annual meeting.
  
  
  
  
  
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  november 2018 study wt

  by days of future passed in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i always get curious when someone posts an article from the wt.

  so i end up going there to look around at the whole article and find other things that are curiouser and couriouser.. certainly, god’s thinking is superior to that of today’s world.

  living by his thoughts will bring us the greatest happiness and success.

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  Great news, the FDS says it won't excercise control over a persons thinking. Now we will begin to see JW men with beards, JW women wearing slacks in field work and at the halls, they'll be celebrating birthdays and the list goes on.
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  New JW phrase: bouquet of truth

  by ohnightdivine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard it from someone who attended the latest wt study, and quickly posted it with - you guessed it - a picture of a lovely flower bouquet.

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  "how big is your bouquet of truth?".

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  Listener

  I've seen some beautiful bouquets but they all have one thing in common - they last for a very short time.