Posts by Listener

would i err in stating most religions and denominations have set doctrines?and yet, the watchtower's version/rendition of christianity is riven with contradictions which stem from changing predictions, policies, doctrines, and interpretations seemingly adrift from foundation or principle.wouldn't you think the constant upheaval, sifting, churn, and reorganization bespeaks whim, mood, uncertainty, and wilful speculation more than divine guidance?there's something endemically jittery and insecure about this religion which i would opine has more than a little to do with unstable mental affect than mere whimsy.what's your take on this?.

Listener

Zeb re the CARC -There was no defence uttered no holy spirit evident.

Great point. The CARC also demonstrated that there was no HS evident with the policies that they already had in place.

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Hooray, smiddy and smiddy3 has got his old self back again as Marvin

by smiddy3 in

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thanks to my son i have the avatar of old back on once again .

Listener

Looking great Smiddy, as young as ever 😀

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"This system will probably be over in about 5 years"

by john.prestor in

i don't think i shared this story yet, it's strange and although i did a little detective work trying to figure out who said what and when i never found out much, big surprise, jehovah's witnesses love their secrets as we all know... but i thought other posters might find this interesting both in and of itself, because of what an elder told me one sunday back in 2011, and because of what it could imply as to high-ranking jehovah's witnesses prophesying the date of armageddon.

specific dates went out the window in 1975, although governing body helper ken flodin hinted at 2040 in a talk uploaded to jw.org a couple years back, and the governing body hinted at 2034 in a watchtower back in the 90s.

but it might be, just might, that more specific date-setting still goes on behind closed doors in certain circuits.... so after i went to "meetings" and talked to witnesses for a couple years at a rural congregation in the eastern united states an elder pulled me aside one service into the vestibule at the hall, in other words, into a private area where no one would overhear us.

Listener

In the past they've always had the 'within this generation' to use as a biblical basis for their stance but now they have nothing, other than their frenzied suggestions.

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I Am Still Here! Another Birthday look back at one helluva lifetime

by TerryWalstrom in

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when the doctor pulled my screaming body out of mom all those 7 decades ago, i landed in a post-wwii world.the world of 1947--compared to today's world--an alien planet.. the world i live in today has nothing in common with the world in which i grew up.. there were no cell phones back then--there were black telephones with a dial-tone and an operator who placed your call.

everywhere you found telephone booths!

a call was a nickel.where did all those telephone booths go?i dunno.where did my whole world go?i dunno.. tv sets were huge boxes with tubes and small screens.

Listener

Thanks for the walk into the past and happy birthday.

I'm a little younger but can remember the clip clop of the horses with their carts of milk, delivering in the early hours of the morning. Washing our glass milk bottles so we could leave them out front for him to replace with full bottles and going out early in the morning on hot summer days before it went sour.

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Rape by Elder led to a life of sexual abuse

by Asian sister in

i was raped by two brothers when i was 12 in vancouver.

one was an elder who i trusted beyond belief and the other was his 18 year old son, who i had a huge crush on.

it changed my life forever, i became a slut, sleeping with every brother i could of which there was an endless supply.

Listener

Asian sister, other than sleeping with you is there any other way that we could assist you? Could you please advise what exactly it is that you are looking for from us.

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Tony Morris Talk: "This Is It!"

by pale.emperor in

can anyone direct me to the tony "tightpants" morris talk he gave in the agm where he revealed the new king of the north?

i'm told via the jw grapevine it was entitled "this is it!"..

is there a video?

Listener

They played the first part of the AGM as the January 2019 Broadcast and I think they said that they would play the next two episodes within a couple of weeks from that, so it should be out soon.

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Just wanted to share my little bit of good news.

by nicolaou in

i haven't been posting here much lately, i think i only created one topic in 2018!

but this is worth it.. i am a grandfather 😊.

it happens all the time but damn, it feels good.

Listener

That's wonderful news Nic, congratulations.

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How to sue the WT over shunning policy. It CAN happen!

by Bad_Wolf in

this is a very good document from a law school exploring religious freedom vs an individuals right to religious freedom without blackmail, pressure, etc, and also explores why certain lawsuits did not win and what it would take to win them.

https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=3827&context=penn_law_review.

a person born in, and whose parents or family pressured to shun because they simply left the religion, who has evidence of damages, etc, would likely have a good case if they find a good lawyer.

Listener

This is a post I wrote on Reddit not long ago -

A religion can be sued for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" if it can be proven. Note that it must be intentional and of an extreme nature. But this is very interesting and I do hope that someone pursues this in court. Have you seen the organization's policy of when a person becomes suicidal after being called to a JC? The instruction is to immediately back off and wait until things settle down. No doubt, if there was a suicide attempt after the Elders had been made aware of the vulnerability of the victim due to a JC then they could be sued because it could be claimed that the elders actions were deliberate and intentional in causing further distress. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if the Watchtower tried to claim that the victim was not distressed because of the JC but because of their having sinned.

I wonder if the organisation could be sued under this 'intentional infliction of emotional distress' in less serious situations because the organization is fully aware of the distress disfellowshipping has on JWs. They acknowledge it as inflicted discipline, although in Court, I'm sure that the org. would claim that the victim was fully aware and accepted the possibility of being dfd. But I would suggest to anyone being called up to a JC to tell the Elders that they would be extremely distressed if they had to attend or if they were dfd and they would sue the organization if they continued to pursue the JC or dfing on the basis of intentional infliction of emotional distress because they had now been pre warned (therefore a claim for it being intentional)