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Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?

by Anna Marina in

wbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.

since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.

recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".

Listener

Anna Marina, they've already taken steps to change this teaching. The Watchtower has a habit of slowly introducing new ideas before committing to a completely different doctrine.

When they released their latest Bible they included a timeline and in this they mention the year 1914. Of particular note, they do not mention Jesus' presence and instead they only include this statement

About 1914 C.E.
Jesus hurls the serpent, Satan, to the earth, confining him there for a short time.—Revelation 12:7-9, 12.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001061221

They use the word 'about' when mentioning the year 1914 as the time Satan was hurled to earth. Stating that this occurred about 1914 means that they are no longer confident or even teaching that he was hurled down in 1914 as definite year. What they are planning in new doctrine is anyones guess but they have laid the groundwork for it.

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16.000 JWs rebel against Bethel and GB

by Edison Trent in

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some hot news:.

last weekend was a convention in frankfurt, germany and 11 other locations.

all were connected to the international convention in berlin.. in sum about 94.000 attended.

Listener

Thanks for the video Edison Trent.

The trumpet sure got the crowd going.

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The definition of 'child abuse', do you see the problem here?

by Nathan R. Koppe in

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original public post at https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=649381602193274&id=627052881092813.

Listener

Lv101 I watched that YouTube as well and thought there were some excellent points brought up from the May 2019 Watchtower.

One point being that the Watchtower calls child abuse a plague and another interesting point was how they use both the words sin and crime in reference to child abuse in the article.

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Do You Think Disfellowshipping Is The Worst Thing About Jehovah’s Witnesses?

by minimus in

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the longer i’m out the more i feel that disfellowshipping is cruel.

i understand the organization tells parents to not even accept emails or texts from their disfellowshipped children.

while i was a witness they tried to discourage families from association but there was some leeway if it was considered necessary business to interact.

Listener

Just like you can sell your soul to Satan, the Organisation requires that you sell your soul to them and that is the worst thing about it.

It is the result of this that we see individuals willing to shun their own sons and daughters, die because of refusing blood and so on.

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Smurf Girl's Phone Call

by APieceOfShitNamedTate in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmozm2lo1i .

Listener

She has talked about being used by the organisation as a young girl, including the GB, as an 'automatic writer'. It's crazy stuff.

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2019--June--8--Weekend Meeting--Video--WTBTS-PA

by Atlantis in

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watchtower bible and tract society of pa.. weekend meeting-june--8th--2019 speaker announced song at 4 minutes 30 seconds: public talk--is the trinity a scriptural teaching?at 31 minutes 12 seconds--the holy spirit is described as a finger and not on the same plain as jesus and his father.. at 34 minutes 20 seconds--jesus is superior to the holy spirit and jehovah is superior to both.at 35 minutes 20 seconds--public talk ends.. at 35 minutes 40 seconds--song.at 38 minutes 43 seconds--watchtower study.https://we.tl/t-idbbuwjlzi atlantis!

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Listener

Drearyweather, I was going by Blondie's comment but I think she was joking. I tell ya, it's hard to know these days what is JW doctrine and what isn't. Just look at their 'this generation' interpretation, that's a real joke.

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2019--June--8--Weekend Meeting--Video--WTBTS-PA

by Atlantis in

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watchtower bible and tract society of pa.. weekend meeting-june--8th--2019 speaker announced song at 4 minutes 30 seconds: public talk--is the trinity a scriptural teaching?at 31 minutes 12 seconds--the holy spirit is described as a finger and not on the same plain as jesus and his father.. at 34 minutes 20 seconds--jesus is superior to the holy spirit and jehovah is superior to both.at 35 minutes 20 seconds--public talk ends.. at 35 minutes 40 seconds--song.at 38 minutes 43 seconds--watchtower study.https://we.tl/t-idbbuwjlzi atlantis!

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Listener

Drearyweather, are you not just a little surprised that they are talking about Jesus being the thumb of Gods hand?

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2019--June--8--Weekend Meeting--Video--WTBTS-PA

by Atlantis in

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watchtower bible and tract society of pa.. weekend meeting-june--8th--2019 speaker announced song at 4 minutes 30 seconds: public talk--is the trinity a scriptural teaching?at 31 minutes 12 seconds--the holy spirit is described as a finger and not on the same plain as jesus and his father.. at 34 minutes 20 seconds--jesus is superior to the holy spirit and jehovah is superior to both.at 35 minutes 20 seconds--public talk ends.. at 35 minutes 40 seconds--song.at 38 minutes 43 seconds--watchtower study.https://we.tl/t-idbbuwjlzi atlantis!

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Listener

Would this be the left hand or the right hand that they are talking about?

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Legal Fundraiser to 'sue' individuals JW's (ie. elders) for defamation

by Nathan R. Koppe in

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Listener

I know this is being done with the best of intentions but it seems that religions have a great deal of protection through legislation.

There was a guy in Canada who tried suing last year and it was unsuccessful.

I don't know that it is appropriate to ask for money on Simons forum but that is up to him as to whether he would allow it. Did you ask for his permission?

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Do You See "The Elephant In The Room" At This JW Regional Convention?

by JW GoneBad in

someone posted this image on their facebook page of a recent jw rc showing a rather petite group of baptismal candidates.

notice there are nearly 75 seats (5 rows) reserved for the occasion.

by my count...it looks like between 17 to 19 were baptized...with total attendance of 6,000. the youngest among them looks like between 9 and 11 years old.

Listener

I see five females but it seems odd that the majority are males.