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  JW old books and mags selling hot on ebay

  by JimmyYoung in

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  so i have an eye out for a couple of the more nefarious jw books from the past.

  i look on ebay etsy and others.

  i see that the older books are selling for a good price.

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  Rol Rod, what sort of corro do you have from Rutherford and was it published in any of the Watchtower publications?
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  Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

  latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

  the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

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  Listener

  That's good news Simon and shows how quickly it can be contained with the right action.
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  The Watchtower is now saying to listen to the advice of the United Nations

  by Listener in

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  2. beliefs

  the watchtower has posted a news item on the coronavirus on their website and officially endorces the advice of who, the world health organization which is described by wikipedia as -.

  the world health organization (who) is a specialised agency of the united nations that is concerned with world public health.

  it was established on 7 april 1948, and is headquartered in geneva, switzerland.

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  Listener

  Watchtower 67 2/15

  12 But is nationalism the only prop in which false religionists have placed their trust? In addition thereto, and in direct opposition to God’s kingdom by Christ​—His instrumentality for bringing real peace and prosperity to mankind—​Satan has brought forth a supranational body. It is described in Revelation 17:8, 11 as the ‘peace beast’ that appears first between the two world wars, goes into eclipse during World War II, and is thereafter reactivated for a season. It is the now-defunct League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations.

  
  
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  The Watchtower is now saying to listen to the advice of the United Nations

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower has posted a news item on the coronavirus on their website and officially endorces the advice of who, the world health organization which is described by wikipedia as -.

  the world health organization (who) is a specialised agency of the united nations that is concerned with world public health.

  it was established on 7 april 1948, and is headquartered in geneva, switzerland.

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  Listener

  The Watchtower has posted a news item on the Coronavirus on their website and officially endorces the advice of WHO, the World Health Organization which is described by Wikipedia as -

  The World Health Organization (WHO) is a specialised agency of the United Nations that is concerned with world public health. It was established on 7 April 1948, and is headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland. The WHO is a member of the United Nations Development Group.
  
  These are the listed objectives of WHO listed on their website

  
  These are the listed objectives of WHO listed on their website

  The main objectives of the WHO Office at the UN (WUN) is to:

  • improve, on behalf of all WHO, its engagement with the UN system;

  • better position health in the debates and decisions of UN, inter-governmental bodies;

  • anchor health in the global 2030 sustainable development agenda;

  • strengthen WHO's effectiveness and leadership role in health as part of the UN humanitarian system;

  • create and sustain effective networks and coalitions with the relevant UN agencies and other stakeholders, based on shared agendas for substantive work;

  • contribute to a coherent and effective UN system at global, regional and country levels.

  They even link to their website.
  
  The comment the Watchtower make on the website is as follows

  Regarding the coronavirus, the World Health Organization has provided additional advice for the public.

  https://www.who.int/about/collaborations-and-partnerships/who-office-at-the-united-nations
  
  
  

  
  
  

  They also inform JWs to put their trust in Governments by following their direction with the following statement

  Follow Government Recommendations and Directives. Local authorities often implement precautions or restrictions for public health. It is good to keep informed and comply with the government’s directives.—Romans 13:1.
  

  
  
  
  
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  pictures for or of pimos

  by waton in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a picture so embarrassing, even wtbts inc does not want to describe it?

  this week's study, no 52, march 1 2020 wt dec 1919. picture description (on page 27) for pages 23 and 26 but not for the one on page 24, too embarrassing?

  picture it, page 24. the wt lady, with a head volume ~8 times that of the gentlemen sitting behind her, eager to have her voice boom in the kingdom hall, raising arms with 3 other "sisters", whereas all 4 males are abstaining.

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  When I used to attend in the 70s and early 80s babies were in prams. The isles were wide enough to allow for a pram to be put next to the mother. In that picture the lady, possibly the mother, has been oddly placed in an extra chair in the isle, where a pram would otherwise be.
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  Confidentiality by the WBTS

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how the wbts has definitely broken confidentiality in their own words!!!.

  proverbs 25:9 "do not reveal what you were told confidentially".

  a body of odours letter refers to this verse and instructs them when handling congregational matters involving legal issues.if an elder were to breach this (minister-communicant privilege prevents any body of odour from revealing things said in private to him by a member), then he automatically waivers the minister-client privilege.

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  Listener

  Due to the headship rule, if a female were to confess a sin, the father or husband would always be informed. Their is no confidentiality for them.
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  May 2020 Watchtower They Admit, they don't know

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  they'll write pages and pages of stuff and yet they don't have any idea.. here's a paragraph from their latest speculations on future events, bolding is mine.. a prophecy recorded by ezekiel gives some insight into what may happen during the last days of the king of the north and the king of the south.

  if we view the prophecies of ezekiel 38:10-23; daniel 2:43-45; 11:44–12:1; and revelation 16:13-16, 21 as speaking about the same time period and events, it appears that we can expect the following developments.. that's an awful lot of assumptions to make.

  what they've done is picked out various scriptures from different parts of the bible and now state that they may or may not be talking about the same events.

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  They'll write pages and pages of stuff and yet they don't have any idea.

  Here's a paragraph from their latest speculations on future events, bolding is mine.

  A prophecy recorded by Ezekiel gives some insight into what may happen during the last days of the king of the north and the king of the south. If we view the prophecies of Ezekiel 38:10-23; Daniel 2:43-45; 11:44–12:1; and Revelation 16:13-16, 21 as speaking about the same time period and events, it appears that we can expect the following developments.
  

  
  That's an awful lot of assumptions to make. What they've done is picked out various scriptures from different parts of the Bible and now state that they may or may not be talking about the same events. At the same time they state that what they are claiming may only happen.
  
  They fail to explain why theses scriptures are even talking about an event in the future when they have already been fulfilled.
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  When China sneezes ..... !!!!!!

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm being a smartarse with that title.

  its a play on an old saying in ozland (australia) which was, "when the usa sneezes, australia gets pneumonia" which was meant to describe the economic clout of the usa on the economic life of australia.. but first, a (hopefully) quick personal story.

  two weeks ago, i went with some chinese friends to a house auction in hurstville (a suburb in sydney, which is now a popular suburb for cantonese speaking chinese).

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  One of my sons completed a degree in Cyber Studies at a W.A. University. In the first year he would be up at midnight, worrying and so frustrated. They were making the students work in teams to complete assignments but they were pairing the Australian students with virtually either non English speaking Chinese Students or Chinese Students that were not capable of doing the work or were just disinterested.

  In the end my son would either make them put him in a group with other Aussies or he would just team up with the one or two Aussies in his group and they would work very hard to do the whole assignment between themselves and basically exclude the Chinese.

  This meant that my son and his fellow Aussies were able to get a lot more out of their studies than was ever intentioned. It backfired for the Uni's but was great for those like my son who were okay with putting in the extra work. He's getting well paid now.

  We didn't understand why this was happening until we saw a TV documentary which explained that the Uni's were accepting Chinese students with very little English and putting them in groups with English speaking students so that they could learn English without any effort required by the Uni's.
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  Disfellowshipped JW's Still Have "Normal Family Relations"

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "when someone is disfellowshipped from the religion, normal family relations continue, with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”a watchtower lawyer clears up this common misunderstanding:.

  https://jwvictims.org/2017/11/19/watchtower-lawyer-lies-outright-in-court-about-disfellowshipping-and-shunning/ .

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  Listener

  The other crazy thing is that spiritual fellowship does continue. The dfd one can still attend meetings, pray, sing and therefore worship along with the rest of the congregation, the just can't talk to anyone.

  However, if they are living with their family, then they can't sit and listen in their book study or join in prayer with them but unlike at the Kingdom Hall, they can talk to them.
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  Can You Name ANYTHING That Jehovah’s Witnesses Have Been Right About?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  regarding prophecies, i can’t name one thing jws have been correct about.

  as a matter of fact nothing stands out to me that shows the witnesses have the truth..

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  It took them over 100 years but I think they are now right about 'this generation' 🙄

  They go from bad to worse.