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Explanation for changes to Disfellowshipping rules at Annual Meeting

by Listener in

wally, a youtuber from jw thoughts highlighted something that was said by kenneth cook jnr in the annual meeting.

he thinks it may be removed before they publish the agm.

i doubt we would see it in writing either.. part of kenneth's talk was about the changes regarding disfellowshipping and the clip from jw thoughts youtube shows him saying -.

Listener

Here's Wally's Youtube where the above was taken from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy-Ok5TgIJU

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Explanation for changes to Disfellowshipping rules at Annual Meeting

by Listener in

wally, a youtuber from jw thoughts highlighted something that was said by kenneth cook jnr in the annual meeting.

he thinks it may be removed before they publish the agm.

i doubt we would see it in writing either.. part of kenneth's talk was about the changes regarding disfellowshipping and the clip from jw thoughts youtube shows him saying -.

Wally, a Youtuber from JW Thoughts highlighted something that was said by Kenneth Cook Jnr in the Annual Meeting. He thinks it may be removed before they publish the AGM. I doubt we would see it in writing either.

Part of Kenneth's talk was about the changes regarding disfellowshipping and the clip from JW Thoughts Youtube shows him saying -

Well throughout the scriptures we see Jehovah's warm appeal to wrongdoers, urging them to repent At Zech 1:3 we read that Jehovah told his prophet "say to them this is what Jehovah of Armies says 'return to me declares Jehovah of armies and I will return to you'"
But does our increased understanding of Jehovah's mercy here mean that his righteous and just standards have somehow been changed? So to answer a question from earlier, James 1:17 tells us that Jehovah does not vary or change and quoting Jehovah himself, Malachi 3:6 says "I am Jehovah, I do not change."
So then, Jehovah does not change and his standards as to what is right or wrong has not changed. That is why recent adjustments to our view of God's mercy is just that - adjustments to our view for understanding. Have you been able to adjust? And because Jesus doesn't change, he still has the same desire to drive out what is bad.
Since sin is still on the earth, the Elders will continue to remove unrepentant ones from the congregation...

Wally then comments on the highlighted remark stating -

So now we have a Governing Body member admitting that Jehovah has his standards and those are set, that his mindset, those are just set in stone and the adjustments that the GB make are, to their viewpoint, just that, adjustments to their viewpoint.
He is explicitly saying that Jehovah isn't talking to the GB to make rules, Jehovah isn't leading the organization. When adjustments are made he is not saying that Jehovah is making the adjustment because Jehovah's standards are already set. He is saying that it is the GB just deciding and in my memory, I know they've talked about being fallible or getting things wrong but I don't remember them outright looking Jehovah's Witnesses in the eyeballs saying "when we make adjustments, it's just us making stuff up. God already has his standards, we don't really know what they are but (some) we just do the best we can.
It was a very strange thing for him to say. I'm not entirely sure he knew exactly the implication of what he was getting at but I found it absolutely amazing because normally we would hear something like, 'oh no, we're fallible but you've just got to trust us because God is using us' Well now you're making it sound like God wasn't using you because if God had his standard already set and your adjustments are just you changing your mind than where is the correlation that God or Jesus is actually using the organization.

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"Brother Jodie jenelle began his bethel service in in 1990....."

by nowwhat? in

but what they don't say he left started and ran a real estate company and a global real estate consulting firm and apparently after making a fortune come back to bethel a few years ago.

how in the hell could a non lifer now be anointed and appointed to be a gb member.

sure can't be for his spiritual qualifications!.

Listener

Drearyweather - By my association with the LDC and some projects, he has been one of the big brains behind a lot of property decisions in the past decade.

Wow, Drearyweather, I had no idea that you were so important in the JW World to be privileged with secretive information.

Could you advise what property decisions and personal involvement he had in them? Also, who are the other big brains behind those same properties?

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"Brother Jodie jenelle began his bethel service in in 1990....."

by nowwhat? in

but what they don't say he left started and ran a real estate company and a global real estate consulting firm and apparently after making a fortune come back to bethel a few years ago.

how in the hell could a non lifer now be anointed and appointed to be a gb member.

sure can't be for his spiritual qualifications!.

Listener

I wonder if he left Bethel due to his wife becoming pregnant? Maybe they brought up one or two kids and started his businesses during that time. Since his kids would now be young adults, it would have enabled him to return.

If he does have grown children, like Tony Morris, they could be Bethelites as well.

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Serious sinner?

by Gorb in

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friends

with the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.

- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.

writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.

Listener

Watchtower have made the worship of God into the worship of an earthly organisation. One they admit is imperfect.

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Listener

It appears that the crux of the doctrinal change the Jackson was making is the signal of the start of the Great Tribulation.

Prior to this meeting their teaching was detailed in the July 2013 Watchtower which says

“In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation.”

Jackson now says the start of the GT is when Nations suddenly hand over their political power to the United Nations. From the OP transcription, Jackson said

” But don't expect you will see Governments wanting to gradually give over power. They don't want to do that. It takes an act of God. Jehovah will put it into their hearts. This will occur with suddenness. Yes, then the GT will start.”

Their idea is that the attack on false religion will follow.

It may be that the reason for this very minor adjustment now enables them to call the start of the Great Tribulation any time they like since -

Nations have and are signing over certain powers to the UN already. For instance, agreements made and being negotiated with WHO.

The chances of the UN destroying all religions except the JWs doesn’t appear likely or provable any time soon.

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Fifty years ago today

by JeffT in

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october 6th 1974 debbie and i tied the knot.

the elder that performed the ceremony managed to personalize it a bit for us.

seems like something worked.

Listener

That’s a wonderful achievement. What will you be doing to mark the occasion?

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Listener

Who are the GB trying to kid about this. They our claiming that Nations will hand over political power suddenly at some future point in time. But it's not a sudden move. It's been happening for some time.

This is from the Australian Governments Health website -

Australia is working closely with the global community, including the World Health Organization, to reform and strengthen global health systems. These include updates to the International Health Regulations and the development of a new pandemic response agreement

This is just an example of one country and there are many more involved.

It is happening as we speak yet the GB obviously don't want to address this but they're pretending they have some new insight that's for a future time.

They've decided they got their interpretation wrong and that's because of their hand being forced with world events already taking place which they won't admit to.

It's another issue that makes the organization look very guilty and actively involved with the UN

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

Listener

A change to their doctrine came from Jackson. This isn't a transcript of his whole speech but I thought I would try and get some of his main speech in writing.

At around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the GT. He says -

"Some areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty in regards to that. For example, our view with regards to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth. Now for many years, what did we think? Well that number would go down and down and down and down and down. Now I don't know about you but me, I can remember when the report came out just how many partakers, hmmm? And what were we thinking? Well probably, well maybe we didn't say it but we're thinking well the number will go down, down, down, down and there will be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward. Well, I'm exagerating but that was sort of the feeling, wasn't it? But now what have we seen in recent years? Ha, those numbers have gone up and up. And not only that, younger brothers have been appointed on the Governing Body.

Now I know what you're all thinking, two new ones, how old are they? We know, you're not googling now, ha, but you will be. But you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth. You see, 19 years ago I was appointed on to the GB, even I thought I was too young. Hm? Now they tell me I'm not so young anymore. But do we see the point? What does the Bible actually tell us with regard to this? Well it doesn't say the number would dwindle down to just having a few older ones left. No, the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with Christ's Brothers. So that means the FDS and all the anointed throughout the earth will continue to be active in doing the work and wanting and needing your support right up until the time that suddenly they will be reassigned. And isn't that what Matt 24:31 says? There will be a gathering, a final gathering of all the anointed from the different parts of the earth. So for us to think 'Well, you know, there's some new ones on the GB, they don't look too old, ah, maybe we've got a little bit of extra time. No, Jehovah is making sure that the FDS is continuing to work and is effective right up in that until that time of reassignment."

Then he says it was onto the next subject. He calls it "Our view of the destruction of BTG"

"When we look through the scriptures, in Revelation 16, what does it tells us? That the waters will gradually dry up, yes churches are loosing support in some countries" He says Europe is less but Africa and South America religion still has a strong influence. "So what is it that the little voice is saying" points to his head. "Well yeah, we see it, it's going in the right direction but maybe not just yet, we've got a little bit more time left. But again

Revelation 17 describes the destruction of false religion or in other words, when the GT starts. Verse 17 - For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast until the words of God is accomplished' Now what is this one thought? Well up until now, we've said the one thought is their desire to turn on false religion. And we can understand that because the context is talking about the destruction of false religion. But you see, if you look back at that verse, what is the one thought? Now this means we have to adjust our understanding. Another change. What does it say? The one thought refers to the nations being willing to hand over power, their political power, to the scarlet coloured wild beast, the United Nations.

Let me repeat it because you are in shock now and you need to write this down. Okay. The one thought refers to the Nations being willing to hand over power to the United Nations.

Now, why is that exciting? Well, the fact that Nations will eventually turn on religions really isn't that surprising is it? Gradually we've seen that happening. Oh yes, we see which way it's going. But what about Nations empowering the United Nations, handing over their personal political power so that the UN has more power? It has 'teeth' so it were. At the moment it's like a teethless, toothless organization isn't it? That seems unbelievable, no nation does that. But what is it that happens? It is an act of God. Jehovah puts that one thought into the minds of the nations. Yes, they will empower the UN so that the UN will be in a position to take action against false religion.

Now this adjustment in understanding means that we also have to adjust our understanding of verses 12 and 13. So if you are in Rev 17 please lets look at 12 and 13 'The ten horns that you saw represent ten kings who have not yet received the Kingdom. But they do receive authority as Kings for one hour with the wild beast. These have one thought so they give their power and their authority to the wild beast.'

So up until now we have assumed these 10 Kings represent all the political powers and governments in the World at the moment. That they did this during the last days by supporting first of all, the league of nations and then the UN.

But now, what do we understand this to be seeing how we understand Vs 17? Well there will come a time when all political powers on earth, which includes many who have never been part of the 7 world powers. They will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the UN to try to solve some of the problems in the World. And they will rule, notice what does it say? For one hour, just a short period of time.

So this newly empowered UNs from that time on, will rule collectively for a short time but it will enable them to destroy false religion and fight against Jesus' and Jehovah's people. Now isn't that exciting?

But now we're back to our subject again. Now gradually things happen so we might say 'well gradually I see BTG losing influence in some places, well maybe not yet' But don't expect you will see Governments wanting to gradually give over power. They don't want to do that. It takes an act of God. Jehovah will put it into their hearts. This will occur with suddenness. Yes, then the GT will start. A sudden change, not something that happens gradually.

So what have we learnt in our discussion? Well yes some things change gradually but Bro's and Sis's remember, some things that are about to occur. Let's remember the two things as a reminder.

First of all, The remaining anointed one will suddenly be taken to heaven while they are still very active Matt 24:31

The second one Jehovah will suddenly move the nations to give their political power to the UN Rev 17:12,13,17.

So what's the takeaway? Don't be complacent. Don't think 'oh this is going to gradually change' No Some things won't gradually change. They will occur suddenly as Acts of God. So be ready and don't be surprised by sudden change.

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Director of ICE, appointed by President Biden, has released a report of the number of criminals deliberately brought into the United States.

by liam in

the director of ice appointed by biden couldn't contain anymore what the biden administration was secretly hiding from the american people and congress.

so he released his report a few days ago to congress, and revealed that hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists from afghanistan were being flown into the country in private planes during the night and releasing them into all the states.

this is not a republican report.

Listener

Are illegals now allowed to vote in elections?