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  CAN WE SOLVE THE MYSTERY of why Watchtower doctrines changed when they changed?

  by Terry in

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  if a person gives a police report of a traumatic event, but later changes their facts during cross-examination, these changes are used to impeach the honesty of the witness.. this impeachment flows from a logical understanding facts must match reality without contradiction.. lets examine the history of the watchtower corporations leaders with a view to the harmony of.

  true teaching over a period of years from 1879-1942.. "even though christmas is not the real anniversary of our lord's birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our lord's birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date.

  we may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate - "christmas day.

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  Alexander Hislop and his book 'The two Babylons' are quoted 47 times in the WT library. Hislops motive was to discredit the Catholics and mentioned numerous practices of theirs as being from pagan origin. He had his own set of weird and whacky ideas, which were not factual.

  It would seem that the WTBTS in it's own motive of discrediting the Catholic religion picked up on this book and ran with his ideas. It fitted their needs of pointing at other religions and demonstrating that they were still pagan. Of course, that required ridding their own organization of those pagan practices that they they would choose to condem.

  The WTBTS last quoted Hislop in 1985.

  Hislop's writings have been discredited.

  Hislop believed the Protestant religion was the true religion and he also believed in the Trinity. Having researched his writings the WTBTS would have known this. So why would they even quote someone whom, according to their own beliefs, was lying? Surely if the WTBTS has any credibility they would not quote from a person who's basic doctrines were a lie and from Satan, how could they even put trust in anything he was saying? Yet they continued to quote him time after time.
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  How would you respond to this defense made on behalf of The Watchtower's Child Abuse lawsuits?

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  2. child-abuse

  details of the society's child abuse policies have been published in jehovah's witnesses' publications, although more specific guidelines are only made available to elders, or on request.

  press releases issued by the watch tower society's office of public information confirm that if a person accused of molestation repeatedly denies the charges of his victim, and there is no other witness to the incident, "the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time", but would report to authorities if required by local laws.

  our families jehovahs witnesses and child protection.

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  Have they put their foot in their mouth with this statement ?

  They won't be using their handling of pedo cases as an example to prove that they are the one true chanel and they cannot claim that they have been guided by God's holy spirit in this matter.
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  How would you respond to this defense made on behalf of The Watchtower's Child Abuse lawsuits?

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  details of the society's child abuse policies have been published in jehovah's witnesses' publications, although more specific guidelines are only made available to elders, or on request.

  press releases issued by the watch tower society's office of public information confirm that if a person accused of molestation repeatedly denies the charges of his victim, and there is no other witness to the incident, "the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time", but would report to authorities if required by local laws.

  our families jehovahs witnesses and child protection.

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  Listener

  the elders receive proper legal direction to ensure that they comply with the law. Additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.

  They say that they take these issues very seriously. Then why do they provide access to the legal department to elders only? What actual support do they give members who want to report the issue to authorities? Although they have changed their actions by not hindering the member to go to the police they are doing nothing to actively support the member, whereas they are actively helping the elders in dealing with the matter even if it is to a limited extent. These are members that have come to them to help deal with the matter, I doubt any JW would expect that the elders dealt with the matter on a spiritual basis only but they don't realize that they are not getting any practical help whatsoever.
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  Wt today and funding special pioneers

  by Daisychaindream in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone else feel like it was just a way to beg for donations!!!.

  the society gives them a minimal wage to preach 130 hours so we should be the ones sending them money and good and clothes.

  it's not like they help the community they go to, i've known missionaries when i was younger who were in deepest darkest soith america in villages with no water, instead of passing in skills and worthwhile tools they just study then go home.

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  Sorry to hear that. At least they were outside the hall. The saying 'a fool and his money are soon parted' comes to mind.
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  The embarrassing history of the misnomer called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

  by Terry in

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  the scriptures portray a person named stephen who is termed the first "martyr.

  " the greek word means "witness.".

  ( greek : , martys , "witness"; stem -, martyr- ).

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  Listener

  Great post.
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  Wt today and funding special pioneers

  by Daisychaindream in

  1. jw
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  does anyone else feel like it was just a way to beg for donations!!!.

  the society gives them a minimal wage to preach 130 hours so we should be the ones sending them money and good and clothes.

  it's not like they help the community they go to, i've known missionaries when i was younger who were in deepest darkest soith america in villages with no water, instead of passing in skills and worthwhile tools they just study then go home.

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  I don't think this is the usual process. You could ask them if their fund has been sanctioned by the elders in the congregation and whether they have registered this fund with the appropriate authorities.
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  A fourth generation JW on the way

  by Xanthippe in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  to my nephew,.

  your other aunt phoned my non-jw cousin, so i know your wife is expecting a baby in the new year.

  congratulations!

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  Listener

  Xanthippe, I didn't pick up on that, sorry.

  I hope that he is here and that he takes your advice. Having children is a very important time to reflect on what one hopes and plans for that child. Certainly the JW religion restricts many things that we may otherwise aim for on behalf of our children.

  I know of some JW families that are not preventing their children from higher education but when the father is in a prominent position they are not likely afforded this opportunity. The father can lose his position if he allows his children to recieve higher education.

  I don't know if your nephew does hold any positions in the religion and if he does, or may in the future, he should consider how much time this will take away from enjoying a full family life. My father was an elder and we saw so little of him, he was usually sitting in his office and working on various JW duties, including study, public talk presentations and various other responsibilities. We had very little fun times, just doing things together.

  We weren't allowed to do any out of school activities like sport and it was probably just as well as he would not have had the time to drive us around let alone watch us.

  It is worth the time to investigate the religion, both its past and its beliefs as he now has the responsibility of teaching his own child.
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  A fourth generation JW on the way

  by Xanthippe in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  to my nephew,.

  your other aunt phoned my non-jw cousin, so i know your wife is expecting a baby in the new year.

  congratulations!

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  Sorry, but there is no way I would send this letter, there is too much bible bashing and it is not going to reach out to a JW.
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  One day Circuit Assembly Review !!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it sucked!!.

  so what's going on in the borg!?

  what have you missed??

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  Let's not forget that marujanna also leads to homsexuality.

  W 73 3/15

  We ask: Marihuana, ‘an approach to paradise’? Homosexuality and suicide—instant paradise?......

  It might be added that a marked characteristic of marihuana users, particularly females, was the unusual degree of sexual promiscuity, both with individuals of the opposite sex and of the same sex. This was true among those who had engaged in no sexual promiscuity before using marihuana. The incidence of venereal diseases was high.
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  New Awake! Dealing With Mental Illness

  by runForever in

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  2. bible

  contains a list of 9 practical steps except they forgot one: 10. do not become a jehovah's witness.. .

  1. follow the treatment prescribed.

  by qualified mental-health.

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  There's an interesting article W 88 10/15 dealing with mental illnesses. It does have a more considerate view of mental illnesses and it encourages elders to be of assistance and if it is serious then professional help is called for. Then it goes way off track with the following statement

  So if the elders have good reason to suspect that demonic influence is involved, there is no harm in their making some inquiry. Has the person, for example, received any suspicious items directly and deliberately from individuals who are involved in some form of demonism? Disposal of such objects may bring relief. (Acts 19:18-20) Since Christians are told to “oppose the Devil,” the elders can also advise the afflicted one to reject any strange “voices” that could be of demonic origin. (James 4:7; Matthew 4:10) If a person feels under attack, he should pray fervently, calling upon Jehovah’s name out loud.—Ephesians 6:18; Proverbs 18:10.

  Demonic involvement, however, appears to be the exception