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In Germany, the Watchtower logo must be removed from all kingdom halls

by processor in

according to german april issue of our kingdom ministry, the watchtower logo must be removed from all kingdom halls:.

it sais that the watchtower logo - a stylised watchtower or a watchtower with a bible - is used by the watchtower society.

thus, it should not be used by congregations or private persons, neither on kingdom halls, stationary or anything else.

Listener

Fantastic activism Bible Examiner. However, it could just as easily backfire and have many JWs sending in more money and Gold, they are that blindsighted. They'll think that the GB has written personally to them, asking for help and it can only mean this is another sign that the big A is imminent.

Quoting the best of the best from their literature is always pure magic. I don't know if their logo is trade marked yet so it might be possible to use it without legal ramification. The other jewel is that it is possible to sign off any letters in a similar fashion to them because (lol) no-one actually signs them.

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LEAKED Talk - Depression Is A Part Of This Life

by pale.emperor in

another leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share.

an elder gave me a ton of talks from bethel and special assembleys to put on his ipod.

of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.. depression is a part of this life by brother nathan fuel.. this talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed?

Listener

They want to give the message that depression is not caused by being in their 'spiritual paradise and when it is it's not their fault, it is somebody else's, such as the disfellowshipped person.

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Today's Text: Reject Apostacy!

by Divergent in

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friends

monday, october 10. renounce unrighteousness.—2 tim.

2:19.. god’s word gives specific advice concerning the types of unrighteousness that christians must renounce or reject.

for instance, in the immediate context of 2 timothy 2:19, we find that paul tells timothy “not to fight about words” and to “reject empty speeches.” (2 tim.

Listener

Interesting that they quote various verses in 2 Timothy 2 but don't mention verse 18 which states that the false teachers are claiming that the resurrection has already taken place.

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Just curious - is apostasy grounds for divorce?

by LifesNotOver in

i know only adultery is supposed to be grounds for "scriptural" divorce.

i'm a wicked apostate in their eyes, but my believing husband and i still can't get a divorce that would allow him to remarry.

we currently are separated - i have left him.

Listener

Better still, just have a bloke sleep over for the night and get two witnesses or inform the elders and your husband will have grounds for divorce. No hanky panky is necessary.

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New Video Series On Courtship May Open Some Eyes

by JW_Rogue in

so the wife was watching the latest installment of jw broadcasting and near the end there was a new segment on dating and courtship.

it starts at about the 39 minute mark:.

https://youtu.be/vuir-azsdm0?t=38m52s.

Listener

Shock, horror, the guy wanted to buy a two door car, it's a wonder they don't encourage JWs to buy mini vans.

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Catholic church raised a cry of alarm, every year thousand of Catholics become J.W

by James Mixon in

my brother (elder) e-mailed this to my sister(not a jw).

the francisco pope praises j.w worldwide.

oh shit, they will have a field day with this.

Listener

It's very old news and they did have a field day with it

Awake 1987 3/22

IN MANY lands people are doing just that. For example, at Bologna, Italy, church authorities, with the pope’s approval, held a congress to study how to combat the success of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Catholic Church raised a “cry of alarm,” according to La Repubblica, because every year ten thousand Catholics become Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The Jesuit Giusseppe De Rosa said that “from a religious point of view the most dangerous are Jehovah’s Witnesses. They come fully trained; they always have the Bible in their hand.”
In an editorial dealing specifically with Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Jesuit magazine La Civiltá Cattolica of February 18, 1984, wrote:
“The first reason for the spread of the movement lies in the propaganda techniques [that is, in the preaching work]. The work on the one hand is painstaking, carried out from door to door by people who are scrupulously trained in this work and strongly convinced . . .
“The second reason for the success of the JWs is in the attractive force of the jehovist message, in being able to cater to the needs, demands, and expectations of the people of our times. First of all, it fulfills the need for certainties, something very much appreciated at a time when all is uncertain and unsteady. . . . Above all, it is an absolutely certain revelation of the future, and therefore all who accept it are freed from all fear and anxiety and can face the future with joy, with the certainty of surviving the ruination of God’s tremendous judgment day for a wicked world and to live in eternal happiness on earth. Secondly, the jehovist message helps in overcoming the anxiety of the individual in the face of this world’s woes, announcing that the overturning of today’s unbearable situation is near, and that soon, therefore, there will be a new era, a new world will be born from which all the wicked who are now triumphant will be eliminated. . . .
“The third reason for the success of JWs is that the movement gives its members a precise and strong identity, and it is a place for them where they are welcomed with warmth and a sense of brotherhood and solidarity.”
The Vatican document analyzed people’s needs at the present time, and the foregoing quote from the Jesuit magazine La Civiltá Cattolica showed that it is the message of Jehovah’s Witnesses that is fulfilling those needs. This is further evidenced by the Catholic writer Vittorio Messori in his recent book Scommessa sulla morte (A Bet on Death), in which he writes:
“It makes you think when you realize that one of these apocalyptical sects—Jehovah’s Witnesses—is the fastest growing confession, or religion, in the world. It is among the most practiced religions in many lands . . . and it is perhaps in first place when it comes to fervor, zeal, activism, ability to make proselytes.
“Neither is their ever more accentuated presence limited to lands of Christian tradition, but it reaches the whole of the world where, in the name of Jehovah, and in a very short time, results are obtained that are often superior to those of Catholic, protestant, and orthodox missionaries in centuries of work.
“This impressive force of expansion is incomprehensible only to the one who does not want to admit that . . . Jehovah’s Witnesses’ way of reading the Bible evidently meets real needs that other theologies no longer fill.
“One cannot avoid the issue by insinuating that the Witnesses prosper because they play on fear. Just the opposite: Unlike the ‘official’ churches, they deny the existence of hell, preaching annihilation for the wicked and unbelievers, definitive disappearance after death. An unpleasant prospect, perhaps; but certainly less terrorizing than the threat of terrible pains for all eternity.”
Yes, the God of Jehovah’s Witnesses is a loving God, not one that strikes people with terror.
The following quotation is taken from the Catholic magazine Mondo erre of March 1986: “It ought to be said that Jehovah’s Witnesses are the first to live the faith they preach: They don’t get angry, they don’t smoke, they don’t accumulate riches, they keep out of political discussions, . . . they pay the taxes, they follow a virtuous and honest life-style, they are happy and obliging. All of this has made them well liked.”

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CO visit... Circuit is not growing at all, he said during midweek meeting

by StarTrekAngel in

so that was a "shocker".

i was not able to attend the meeting.

i had a more important one with my other apostate friends in the area.

Listener

This is the claim mad in the November 2016 Watchtower mag -

"We live in exciting times. The earth-

ly part of Jehovah’s organization is

growing in many ways, but growth ne-

cessitates change."

Unfortunately for them the growth isn't in numbers.

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Speculate now that 2 gb members are 80 will they be reasigned?

by poopie in

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friends

comments.

Listener

The November 2016 has an interesting article. The mag firstly talks about modesty (in behaviour). The last article states that the older men with positions should train the younger men then step aside to let the younger ones take over. It discusses a number of reasons why including the fact that younger ones are more energetic.

It is clear from the article that further changes are in the pipeline and that includes more reassignments of positions to younger ones.

It would also suggest you that it would be appropriate for older ones to step down and by doing so, they would be showing a number of Christian qualities, including modesty.

It is ironic to see this article includes a photo of two guys in tight pants and coloured socks, I can't help but feel it is a direct message to Morris and the need for him to be modest by training younger ones and stepping down for them to take over.

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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

letter sent today to the ministry of justice... .

spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.

again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.

Listener

Great work So. It may have been good to mention the occasions when Elders and MSs are alone with minors. This includes witnessing work, bible studies and occasions when minors approach Elders. Also that by their positions alone, minors have absolute trust in them and are indoctrinated to obey them. It is also a practice of theirs to have minors approach an Elder to confess a sin.

You could also have said that it has become evident that they do have child molesters already appointed as Elders and MSs.

It's not too late to send another letter.

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Some real gems from the KH!

by DATA-DOG in

well, i went to the kh.... why?

i had my reasons, but i had a real nice cocktail before hand.

anyway, the talk was "why does god permit suffering?

Listener

Why do they even talk about marriage and sex in front of young children?