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  Cofty--Can You Help This JW Lady?

  by Atlantis in

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  cofty, this jw lady sent us a message with a question on a point she is trying to verify.. .

  her question: (isn't the watchtower teaching a form of "evolution" right now and my jw family just don't realize it?).

  hold on sandra, grampa (atlantis), says that (cofty) is pretty much an expert on evolution and can answer your question more accurately than we can.

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  Listener

  I've just been reading through the latest Watchtower- September 2018 and they have this as a footnote
  

  It is reasonable to conclude that some Armageddon survivors will be disabled. When on earth, Jesus cured people with “every sort of infirmity,” thus giving us a preview of what he will do, not for resurrected ones, but for Armageddon survivors. (Matt. 9:35) Resurrected ones will no doubt have whole, sound bodies.

  It seems that this is new light and rather than evolution being involved, there will be a miraculous healing of physical imperfections.

  If resurrected ones are going to have perfect bodies then they must also be perfect beings, both physically and mentally. But the footnote seems to only be discussing physical bodies. It makes me wonder what they think it is to be imperfect but since they simply come up with whatever they want or whoever's thoughts can convince the current Governing Body the only conclusion is that they can't make up their minds about anything, especially when they are simply speculating in the first place.

  The Watchtower 82 12/1 states

  Those who physically have died and will be resurrected on earth during the Millennium will still be imperfect humans. Also, those surviving the war of God will not be made perfect and sinless immediately. As they continue faithful to God during the Millennium those who will have survived on earth evidently will gradually progress toward perfection. Hence, as long as persons in both categories are not free of inherited sin, they will in a sense be “dead” (and could not yet be fully alive) in God’s sight.—Luke 9:60; Ephesians 2:1.
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  Faulty Decrees Conceal Criminals

  by Bill Covert in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just finished barbara on a&e she quoted from her article "faulty decrees conceal criminals" posted on watchtower documents.

  you folks should take a couple minutes and read the article.

  her quote was that lev.5:1 required a witness to a crime to report the crime to police.

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  Her research revealed that Ray Franz was the writer who misapplied Lev.5:1which was a surprise to me.

  I can't find any evidence in her article that Ray Franz was the one who misapplied the scripture and do not understand why there is this focus on him having done so. Is there a reason for this?

  Even if Ray Franz had written the first article instructing JWs to inform on each other based on Leviticus 5:1, he was using a flawed bible interpretation to begin with so why blame him?

  
  
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  Jealous Hipster Cyclist Husband riding to Sunday DA all sweaty and all Tony Tight Pantsed out to match my sweet pimped out Dutchie!

  by SonoftheTrinity in

  1. social
  2. humour

  be courageous, and blessed is he that cometh in the name of jah.

  she didn't want us to go in the ugly vintage station wagon together so she carpooled with her friends, so i'm going dressed as one of the wurzels on a raleigh rally.

  oo-arr oo-arr.. the org is robbing us of time together, so i have a right to crash the parties she goes to.. if anyone has any judgments, at least i came carbon neutral..

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  Listener

  I doubt it will be any of the other JWs objecting but you might want to consider how your wife feels about it.
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  Edgar (the Crow) Colludes with the *Russians*

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a couple of years ago, sitting at starbucks outside patio, i became "aware" of a feathered mafioso i eventually named edgar.so weird and varied have been our adventures, i began writing about them.this is only the latest installment in what i like to call: the edgar chronicles_______edgar colludes with the rooskiesi sit carefully selecting which words to use--there are pitfalls to my tale.2 chinese ladies are problematic for a writer who is an olde white male.what if i accidentally stereotype?

  i dare not!with your kind permission, i will change the sex and country of origin of my 2 characters to avoid going off the rails.instead, this story is transformed into 2 *russian* guys!

  that you crow.

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  Listener

  I have to agree with them. Suggesting that male Russians are only interested in buffets is racist. It's probably sexist as well.
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  JW Door-to-Door Notekeeping Attracts Scrutiny of EU Authorities

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a newly- enacted eu gdpr privacy protection law, to become effective from may 25, has apparently prompted jws to file suit in protest: .

  (translated from the italian) .

  source: ex-jwblog: http://testimonidigeovachiedono.blogspot.com/2018/05/le-note-di-casa-in-casa-sono-illegali-per-il-gdpr.html):.

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  Listener

  It should be as simple as asking the HH if they can make a note. However, it opens up the option of the HH saying no as they don't want a return visit.
  
  JWs have been told to record notes that go beyond names and addresses to help remind them of discussion points to make on their return visit, although in some places I think they've been told to refrain from this due to laws already in place.
  
  
  
  
  
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  Meghan Markle Will Omit 'Obey' from Her Wedding Vows to Prince Harry

  by AFRIKANMAN in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when meghan markle says her royal wedding vows to prince harry on saturday, she’ll be following in the footsteps of princess diana and kate middleton by choosing to omit the traditional promise to “obey” her husband, the palace confirms.. during the ceremony, officiated by archbishop of canterbury justin welby, meghan will tell her royal groom: “i meghan, take you, harry, to be my husband, to have and to hold from this day forward; for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death us do part; according to god’s holy law.

  in the presence of god i make this vow.”.

  the decision doesn’t come as a surprise: meghan has long been a vocal feminist, working with organizations like one world vision to learn about the challenges facing women and girls living in dubai and mumbai.

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  For those that had their volume down too low whilst watching the wedding -
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=37&v=SKV6h_5XFbk
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  Material such as the film at the end of this years convention confirms that I was right to take my kids out the religion

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it’s quite affirming to see the horrific material that they’re serving up at the convention this year.

  aside from blatant homophobia, the scenes at the end of the convention that are discussed on another thread stoop to new levels of fear mongering.

  it seems to occur to nobody inside the organisation that this kind of material could trigger fear, deprsssion, anxiety, stress.

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  —hail, earthquake, flooding downpo ur, fire and sulfur, lightning, and disease.

  Thats way too hard to visualise in a movie, men with guns is much easier.
  

  
  
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  Another flip flop

  by blownaway in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8hzakyfazc this is a talk this year about how to stay loyal to the cult.

  it talks about not blaming yourself when your child is dfed.

  but wait, when i was in the cult the elders told the parents of dfed children that it was their fault.

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  Listener

  It would guilt fathers into stepping down from their positions as Elders at times.
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  Judgment Day in Russia

  by Tahoe in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-russia-are-having-their-homes-raided-even-remote-towns-934734.

  law enforcement officials in birobidzhan, russia, a small town close to the border with china, raided 20 homes belonging to jehovah’s witnesses, according to members of the religious organization.. the raids were conducted by around 150 police officers, who nicknamed their operation “judgement day,” jarrod lopes, a member of the jehovah’s witnesses, told newsweek.

  police confiscated photographs, bank cards, money and electronic devices from the houses they searched, said lopes.. a criminal case was opened against a man named alam aliev, who will be kept in pretrial detention until july, members of the religious group said.

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  Listener

  Maybe they feel that labelling the Governments activities as criminal or unlawful would mean they are not being politically neutral.

  If their own laws permit such actions then they can't label them as being criminal or unlawful.
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  Weird, weird. Newest internet debate, Laurel or yanny?

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i heard laurel and the wife heard yanny.

  maybe someone can post the spoken word..

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  My daughter hears Yanny and my husband hears laurel. I hear Yammy. On one of the Youtubes a person posted that they hear Yammy and there are over 400 thumbs up to that post.