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Geoffrey Jackson hints at the identity of the King of the North

by scotoma in

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friends

the big news at the annual corporate meeting was probably the sudden realization that gog of .

magog was some group of nations.

the news was given by geoffrey jackson.

Listener

The OP on this thread is very interesting as it discusses the KON and reasoning as to why the GB were not saying who they believed it is.

At the Annual Meeting four years ago Soctoma points out this comment as having been made by Geoffrey Jackson

Finally he dramatically
raised the question “So who is the King of the North?” The audience reacted to this question
with an anticipatory audible buzz. Just the reaction Jackson was hoping for. He followed this up
by saying “We can’t be sure - yet.” And then he raised expectations that when they get it figured
out they will make it known.

Scotoma then makes is own speculation as to why they wouldn't name the KON back then

They will probably defend their confusion over the King of the North because it cleared the way
for hundreds of thousands of new JW’s in Russia and its former republics. If they maintained the
stance that the King of the North was Russia they would have risked the work coming under a
ban. How could they be allowed to freely carry on their work and talk about Russia being the
evil King of the North? To be sure they don’t want to be too quick to send out the message that
Putin’s Russia is the King of the North that goes forth in a great rage to “annihilate and devote
many to destruction.”

Today, in Russia, the JWs are banned and it would appear that since the GB have nothing further to lose, they decided to reveal the KON as Russia in their recent Annual meeting.

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november 2018 study wt

by days of future passed in

i always get curious when someone posts an article from the wt.

so i end up going there to look around at the whole article and find other things that are curiouser and couriouser.. certainly, god’s thinking is superior to that of today’s world.

living by his thoughts will bring us the greatest happiness and success.

Listener

Great news, the FDS says it won't excercise control over a persons thinking. Now we will begin to see JW men with beards, JW women wearing slacks in field work and at the halls, they'll be celebrating birthdays and the list goes on.

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New JW phrase: bouquet of truth

by ohnightdivine in

i heard it from someone who attended the latest wt study, and quickly posted it with - you guessed it - a picture of a lovely flower bouquet.

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"how big is your bouquet of truth?".

Listener

I've seen some beautiful bouquets but they all have one thing in common - they last for a very short time.

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Saying hello again

by EdenOne in

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friends

just saying i’m still alive and greeting everyone, veterans and newcomers to this forum.. 2018 was a year with a lot of turmoil in my life; me and my wife separated, then reunited months later, and spent the second half of the year healing the emotional wounds from that episode.

that, along with a record year in terms of my business meant that choices had to be made regarding my time, and i decided to focus on my marriage instead of other endeavours.

it seemed to have paid off.

Listener

Hi Eden One, lovely to hear from you again.

Sorry to hear about your marriage problems and hopefully things have settled down for the long term. Good on you for choosing your marriage over other endeavours, doing your best will leave you with no regrets.

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Printed vs Produced

by Rattigan350 in

in the january 1, 2015 watchtower it says printing each issue 52,946,000 in 228 languages semimonthly.

in that 2016 #1 issue watchtower it says produced each issue 58,987,000 in 254 languages monthly.

what is the difference between printed and produced?.

Listener

I think 'printed' means the actual physical numbers printed - hard copies.

'Produced' is anything they want it to mean. This includes both the number of physical copies they print plus the number accessed online, however they choose to count that.

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Elders: Which legal office?

by betterdaze in

there are two legal offices listed on the jw.org website.. united stateswatchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.office of the general counsel100 watchtower drivepatterson ny 12563-9204united states+1 [email protected].

world headquartersjehovah’s witnesses, office of the general counsel1 kings drivetuxedo park ny 10987-5500united states+1 [email protected].

to which location does one report child abusers and their enablers?

Listener

You could call either or both of those phone numbers and ask.

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New Year's Day Party

by Giordano in

for what it's worth:.

we just held our 3rd annual new year's day party.. we kept the list down to thirty invites this year with the provision that they could bring guests.

so the final count was well up there.

Listener

Sounds like it was well organized and you all had a great time. It's not easy when you have such a large group over but it can be fun and memorable.

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Is is true one of the new residence buildings at Warwick was never used and lays empty?

by nowwhat? in

if true what a waste of dedicated funds that could have been used to build 1000's of k.h's in africa.

Listener

I thought at some stage they were not going to build one of the resident buildings or maybe they just delayed it.

Since they had initially planned for it and it had been approved, in the long run, it would be significantly cheaper to build it now rather than later on.

If Sir82 is right then could we see Walkill or Patterson be sold off entirely? They are printing significantly less than what they were just a few years ago.

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April 2019 Watchtower article 'Uphold the TRUTH about death'

by Listener in

it appears this study article has been written because the organization is still having trouble teaching african jws that they are not to follow their traditional customs when someone dies and not to believe in spirits.it has been speculated for some time that it is african jws that have attributed to the increase in 'anointed' partakers.interestingly, no-where in this article does it even mention their two class system and the anointed having a heavenly hope.

it is amazing that they title the article as upholding the truth about death and fail to mention their two hope doctrine.the following are some quotes -.

satan, “the father of the lie,” has deceived people since the start of human history.

Listener

That makes sense Smiddy.

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April 2019 Watchtower article 'Uphold the TRUTH about death'

by Listener in

it appears this study article has been written because the organization is still having trouble teaching african jws that they are not to follow their traditional customs when someone dies and not to believe in spirits.it has been speculated for some time that it is african jws that have attributed to the increase in 'anointed' partakers.interestingly, no-where in this article does it even mention their two class system and the anointed having a heavenly hope.

it is amazing that they title the article as upholding the truth about death and fail to mention their two hope doctrine.the following are some quotes -.

satan, “the father of the lie,” has deceived people since the start of human history.

Listener

It appears this study article has been written because the organization is still having trouble teaching African JWs that they are not to follow their traditional customs when someone dies and not to believe in spirits.

It has been speculated for some time that it is African JWs that have attributed to the increase in 'anointed' partakers.

Interestingly, no-where in this article does it even mention their two class system and the anointed having a heavenly hope. It is amazing that they title the article as upholding the truth about death and fail to mention their two hope doctrine.

The following are some quotes -

SATAN, “the father of the lie,” has deceived people since the start of human history. (John 8:44) Some of his lies include false teachings about death and about life after death.....

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD
But Satan did not stop lying about death. At some point in time, he began to introduce other lies. One of those lies is the teaching that the physical body dies but that some part of the person lives on, perhaps in the spirit realm. Variations of that lie have deceived countless humans right down to our day.—1 Tim. 4:1.
...we do not fear the dead; nor do we fear for them. We know that they are not alive and cannot harm anyone. It is as if they were in a deep sleep
...Do you not agree that the truth about the condition of the dead is clear, simple, and logical? What a contrast to Satan’s confusing lies!

Since they only tell half the story about their beliefs of those that die, their message is simple. Unfortunately, it's one thing to use simplified english but completely another to exclude half their teachings on a matter just to make it look simple, especially when you claim you are speaking the truth about a matter.

Further into the article, the Watchtower instructs JWs how they must behave, then a paragraph later they say that the Elders will not tell them how to behave -

As Jehovah’s servants, we certainly do not believe any myths or take part in any practices that promote Satan’s lies!—1 Cor. 10:21, 22.....

If you are unsure about a certain custom or practice....If necessary, consult the elders in your congregation. They will not tell you what to do, but they can point you to relevant Bible principles, such as those discussed here.