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  Living in the last of the last days - A new prophecy

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  although not a new concept by the watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.watchtower oct 2019 page 8 -13 study no.40 titled -keep busy during the last of "the last days".

  the first paragraph asks '1.

  what convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?

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  Punkofnice - It was your fault for not accepting that you misunderstood them, it's obvious that they were going to have new light on the matter. How is it obvious you ask? The simple fact that it didn't occur then has made that evident.
  
  They can change their mind on anything and still be right.
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  Is There Anything You Can Be Thankful For Since leaving The JW`s.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can ,the people i had influence over in joining the religion.,but have now left the religion.granted it`s family,except for one.. those that were active jw`s and have now left :.

  my wife .

  my two sons ,and a wife of one .

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  That is really great Smiddy3. So many times we think that there is no way certain JWs would ever leave but over the passing of time we are likely to be surprised and delighted.
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  Living in the last of the last days - A new prophecy

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  although not a new concept by the watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.watchtower oct 2019 page 8 -13 study no.40 titled -keep busy during the last of "the last days".

  the first paragraph asks '1.

  what convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?

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  Listener

  Although not a new concept by the Watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.
  
  Watchtower Oct 2019 page 8 -13 Study No.40 titled -
  
  KEEP BUSY DURING THE LAST OF "THE LAST DAYS"

  The first paragraph asks '1. What convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?'

  Nothing new here, the Watchtower has taught that humans have been living in the last days since 1914 for decades now and point to the signs that we are all familiar with.
  
  The second paragraph then introduces the statement that we are now in the last of the 'last days' stating
  
  

  Because so much time has passed since 1914, we must now be living in the last of “the last days.” Since the end is so near, we need to know the answers to some important questions: What events will occur at the end of “the last days”? And what does Jehovah expect us to do while we wait for those events?
  

  
  They admit that they cannot give a date so instead they have basically sectionalized the last days. We know they teach that the start of the last days was in 1914 but they don't state when the start of the last of the last days began. Surely they know if they claim we are in those days.
  
  For decades they have claimed that Armageddon was imminent and put that in writing and since losing their old teaching regarding 'this generation' they have not been so specific in the publications.
  
  There is nothing to substantiate this claim other than the fact that 105 years have passed since 1914 and because of this length of time they say we must be living in the last of the last days. Not even their latest 'this generation' supports the idea. But there is not one thing in the bible that they can point to or do point to, which identifies this period (the last of the last days) and that includes any prophecies therefore they are making up their own prophecy about living in this specific time.
  
  In the paragraph posted above they ask what will occur at the end of these last days and what does God want them to do whilst they wait for the end of the last days. But the real question that arises from this paragraph is - How can they be in the last of the last days when they acknowledge that they are not at the end of the last days? Because according to them, there are certain defined events that will occur at the Great Tribulation which occurs prior to Armageddon and at the end of the last days. According to their own teachings they can't be in the last of the last days since the GT occurs at the end of the last days then that is the last of the last days.
  
  Evidently, what they mean is that they are now living in the last of the last days of the period before the GT which occurs in the last of the last days.
  
  Overlapping generations anyone?
  
  Naturally the rank & file are lapping this up and why we are seeing the hysteria increasing (again).
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  WT study 8 December

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  had to look.

  first paragraph mentions that most of were probably born after 1914. most?

  i bet the dubs 105 and older can be counted on your fingers..

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  As worshippers of Jehovah, we are convinced that we are living during “the final part of the days.”​—Mic. 4:1.

  If you don't believe (without evidence) that you are living in the last of the last days then the Watchtower says you are not a worshipper of Jehovah.
  

  Basically all they are doing is making another prophecy claiming to know which part of the last days they are currently living in, they can't help themselves.
  
  
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  New Watchtower Corporation Formed !!!

  by xjwsrock in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to all congregations in the united states branch territory .

  re: jw congregation support .

  dear brothers: .

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  Sektenkult, my understanding is that if you set up a non profit entity (in Australia) then any profits and monies cannot be syphoned off to an ordinary Company where monies can be held, owned, used or distributed to shareholders by the Directors as they see fit within their own constitution. America is fairly similar but I stand to be corrected.

  If the non profit entity is forced or needed to dissolve, the money and assets would need to be transferred to another non profit, it's in their constitution which is a requirement to allow them to be a non profit and receive all the tax benefits. Whereas, with an ordinary, private company the Directors dictate ownership and control.

  The properties in Brooklyn were owned by the Watchtower, as a non profit organization. Who knows how much money they are putting into ordinary Company structures. It's interesting that they have a seperate donation box for their proposed media compound and it's an easy way to legally divert donations into a Comany which is not a non profit.
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  Elders given immunity for sins in the past???

  by Kingdavid41 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants.

  situations that require a review of an appointed brother's qualifications.

  25. committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past and the matter was never addressed: the body of elders may de- termine he can continue to serve if the following is true: the im- morality or other serious wrongdoing occurred more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned.

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  Another possibility in the KH shakeup is so that hundreds of Elders and MSs can be reassigned so that CSA court cases become more difficult. Which congregation do you sue, if it even exists now and which Elders do you call for questioning.
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  Melbourne Convention Protest

  by jonahstourguide in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi all.. i didn't want to post this in private because i want all to see what i saw.. the protest at the melbourne convention went superbly in my opinion.

  the protesters and their banners were more than eloquent and succinct.

  you could feel the emotion they all conveyed.

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  JW Leaks, have you posted it? I thought O'Brien had been reassigned.
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  Advertising and the Melbourne International Convention

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  they keep confirming that religion is big business.the melbourne international convention is this weekend and i wish all the best to the activists who will be present.i came across this website set up for jws in attendence with comprehensive guides and information.

  it's obvious that it has been created by the jws since they write this under the rooming tab.

  we are all now free to book accommodation using the recommended lodging list (rll) which is provided on the rooming website!.

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  They keep confirming that religion is big business.
  
  The Melbourne International Convention is this weekend and I wish all the best to the activists who will be present.
  
  I came across this website set up for JWs in attendence with comprehensive guides and information. It's obvious that it has been created by the JWs since they write this under the rooming tab
  
  

  We are all now free to book accommodation using the Recommended Lodging List (RLL) which is provided on the ROOMING WEBSITE!

  It's incredible to see the amount of advertising and promotions on one particular page
  
  https://2019mic.org/things-to-do/
  
  Promotions include

  - discounts to the Legoland Discovery Centre,

  discounts to various restaurants in Collins Street,

  - encouraging delegates to take a tour of the Exhibition Hall

  - 25% discount on the Eureka Tower

  - a discount on the Melbourne Observation Wheel

  - 20% off on an Ultimate Food Tour at the Market
  

  and the offers roll on
  
  It's not a new thing that the Organization has promoted the Cities where they are holding a Convention but blatant advertising with discount offers is new. Do they think that because it's not on their official website or not in a publication, that it makes a difference?
  
  Could you imagine Jesus arranging discounts to various attractions when he held his Sermon on the Mount and handing out these offers?
  
  
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  NBC NEWS: Man who raped Jehovah's Witness girls sentenced to 5 years in prison

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-raped-jehovah-s-witness-girls-sentenced-5-years-n1082136.

  man who raped jehovah's witness girls sentenced to 5 years in prison .

  "it’s finally over.

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  That's a light sentence for raping two children.
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  Prince Andrew & Jeffrey Epstein, WTF

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  in fact, several "wtf"s, not least - why were you visiting a convicted pedophile after his release from prison, never-mind having any contact with him in the first place when his preoclivities seemed to be an open secret.. and the best he can some up with is "i don't remember"?

  you don't remember?

  there's a fucking photo of you with one of the victims and accessories to the crimes you dumb fuck!.

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  It seems to be a common trait of sex offenders to want their victims to pretend it never happened.

  In my view Clinton appears just as guilty with the above statement that he made. He claims Andrew is an obvious liar and not to believe him when he says anything about himself. If Andrew were to come clean, what could possibly be the reason for making up anything about Clinton?