Posts by Listener

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

Listener

They have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk

Is a drunk person putting others at risk if they are not at home and not driving?

What about a mentally challenged person, or a drug taker, whether prescribed or not. When they pose a serious risk because of their proven social misbehaviour something can be done about it but usually not until they've already caused damage.

What if the unvaccinated person is prepared to take extra precautions so as not to be any more of a risk than a vaccinated person and what exactly would be required? Who are they a risk to, another unvaccinated person or a vaccinated person?

Apparently, an unvaccinated person can pass the virus on to others more easily if they have the virus because their symptoms are more severe or more contagious, so will shed the virus more (coughing etc.) But if they have any apparent symptoms they are likely to be at home anyway or it could be made a legal requirement that they quarantine.

What if the unvaccinated person is prepared to stay at home rather than have a mandated vaccine?

It looks like booster shots may be required and if so, what about those that have had severe side affects from the vaccines and it's too dangerous for them to have a booster, will it be mandated that they must have it?

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David Splane's apostate warning convention talk

by neat blue dog in

i know this recent video has been talked about already but i just watched it and here are a few things that got me annoyed as usual:.

splane says that if a bible student says he saw some negative information from apostates and asks us to explain it, we shouldn't look at it or address anything specifically, but instead we should tell them to go to meetings and hear what we have to say about ourselves and also tell them to befriend people at the hall.

for any person with integrity and/or intelligence, this is not a satisfactory answer.

Listener

He says we don't have to taste poison to know that it's bad. His 'logic' is that apostates have nothing to say but poison > therefore, what they say doesn't have to be tested and can be rejected outright without listening and testing first.

Why is it that most of us have some sort of poison sitting on our shelves in the first place? It all serves a useful purpose, if used properly. It's not there to be consumed but when used for its intended purpose. it can prove to be very beneficial. Without it, we could end up with serious consequences.

With the Covid virus, you can find bottles of disinfectant's everywhere. It kills most harmful bacteria and it's considered extremely useful. But it's a poison, it's not meant to be taken.

If Splane really wants to describe apostates as poison then it could also be viewed as being beneficial to JWs in helping cleanse the falsehoods that they are trying to spread.

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

Listener

I am grateful that we have ex JW forums such as this major one, where we can find support in various ways.

Even the person who down voted the most recent post by Vienne must feel some satisfaction in doing so and without the need to explain/defend themselves.

I have found it to be an important method of being transparent in discussing issues related to JW issues or other matters that are of concern or interest to us.

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

Listener

They've put up another video stating that we are clowns here. He explains how those watching his videos can give them money because they make very little, he lost his job last year.

He states that we just don't get it.

It was an eye opener when he said that in relation to the Watchtower you have to fight fire with fire, propaganda with propaganda. So he's right in that aspect, I don't get how spreading propaganda can be the right way to get others out of the Watchtower and in this case, potentially hurting a business and employee that is not linked to the WTBS.

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What is it with these lard ass GB and gold rings and watches?

by mickbobcat in

they wear jewelry like they are some don from the cosa nostra.

watches and rings like some cheap pimp.

hey they are cheap pimps.

Listener

Vienne, I can't link from my old iPad but if you type in 'Sam's watch' into the search section on here, you will find a thread discussing it, including photo's.

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wt is wrong, the "generation" must be the wicked.

by waton in

wt wants the generation of 1914 to end soon.

but making the generation anointed contradicts jesus.

jesus said that the end generation would pass away after all these things, including armageddon has occurred so, when will the wicked ( non wt believers) pass away?

Listener

That's good reasoning.

The final lot of 'anointed' JWs will not pass away, they will be changed in a twinkling of the eye

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

Listener

JeffT, thanks for your research and detailed information regarding the business directors. I agree with you. Smurfgirl used one of those directors names and claimed that because it was similar to an IBSA Director name from years ago that there must be a connection.

The Facebook page that belongs to this business shows them acknowledging every Worldly holiday on their pages. Hardly a thing that the WTBTS would do if they were directly connected.

Thanks also for your open offer to all of us to be of assistance where you can.

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

Listener

Newly Enlightened/Kim, there are a few points to clarify about your comments on your Youtube Channel. I can assure you that I am not a Watchtower Troll, my posts here over years would demonstrate that is not the case. As for being a 'hater', it's a nasty suggestion, but what exactly am I or others hating? If it's hating you then you will find over the years I have defended you and Mike on many occasions and put down your mistakes as being human error or over enthusiasm. If it's hating misrepresentations then you would be right.

As for 'threatening' to contact Julie at Watchtower Properties Co., I made no such threat. I told you that I was intending on doing it so as to give you the opportunity of ether retracting your claim, proving it or removing the private conversation between Smurfgirl and Julie. Remember, you are the one that publicly made these claims (that they were associated with the WBTS) and the (edited) conversation without her or the private business without them being aware of it. Surely they have a right to know it was there on your Youtube, you posted your information publicly, were you hoping that it would be hidden or unknown to them?

There were no filing of complaints other than the one that Smurfgirl received from Youtube by (I assume) Julie or someone else from Watchtower Property Co. to Youtube which resulted in Youtube taking her video down. She/they had every right to do so given the publishing of her private conversation. Since that was just one complaint, what are these other complaints that you are talking about?

You're most extraordinary claim is that someone threatened you that they would contact Julie from Watchtower Properties and tell her to file a lawsuit against you to sue you for libel. Where on earth was such a claim made?

If your video was so right why did you remove it at all?

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

Listener

Newly Enlightened/Kim has posted a new Video on her YouTube Channel about this thread and states-

And I also want to mention that we took down our Watchtower Property Video because of, I mean, OMG it has been just unbelievable. Um, the biggest thing is over on JW.com and you know, I usually don't go over there much but, you know, a couple of people have sent me links to the conversation going on and if these people are exJWs then this is exactly what Mike and I have been talking about, you know, we don't know if they are Watchtower Trolls or just haters or what but they are actually threatening to contact that Julie of Watchtower Property and she sue us, file a lawsuit for libel .
So you can see, this is what we have to deal with all the time, all the time, you know, this is why, you know, Smurfgirl took her video down, because same thing, because they filed complaints and everything else.
So anyway, we are still investigating to see, you know, all of the connections and there's a lot of people we have found that, in their profile for other Real Estates, they actually say they are a partner in the Watchtower Property and so, you know, we are looking at that and many of you have sent me research and information about this Watchtower Property and some of the other, you know, Real Estate Property Management, you know, who are involved with them and so, anyway, we're still investigating but I just wanted to get everybody an update on the court case ....."

Starts at 2.07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exEH3RzkHrE&t=184s

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You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

by Listener in

kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

Listener

Newly Enlightened, that's great. I contacted Julie advising her of the video a few hours ago so I would think that she would have done the same thing as she did with SmurfGirls video and lodged a privacy issue with YouTube. That would probably have resulted in it being taken down by YouTube. So it's much better that you've done it without getting a bad mark from YouTube. I do appreciate your work and I know you are sincere but sometimes a bad source can cause things to go wrong.

Watchtower Property Co. is a real business emloying people and I can only imagine it would be awful to be connected to the JWs when they aren't and also to have a phone call edited/manipulated wrongly.

Thanks for confirming about the phone call audio clip and that it wasn't you that edited it. The fact that Smurfgirl wouldn't give you the whole clip speaks for itself. The clip you had was even more cropped than the one she had put up on her channel.

I wish we could all trust each other and I hope this hasn't caused any distress for you or Mike. There's too much misinformation in the World these days and it's not easy to get to the truth of a matter.

You've helped a lot of JWs/ex JWs and your support and love for your fellow man is appreciated by many.