No problem. Also, if I remember correctly, there was new book released for the TMS in '04, right before I got df'd so I never used it. I can't remember the name of it, so I can't find it in the library. I don't even know if they still use it. But there might be something in there about it.
DanaBug
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Women can't face the audience from platform? Is this in writing?
by InterestedOne ini just read the thread about women & men waking up etc.
and saw a post saying women can't face the audience from the platform.
i thought, hmm yeah, now that i think about it, they're always looking sideways, like toward the other woman in the role-playing, or if they're being interviewed, they look toward the guy at the podium.
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Local Elder advises Young woman to make up with abusive husband
by troubled mind injust never ceases to amaze me how things in the organization stay the same .
you would think by 2011 these guys could come up with something better than " makeup now ,you know jehovah hates a divorcing !
" ( but obviously he doesn't mind a woman being abused !
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DanaBug
It's all about appearances. A divorce is harder to hide than bruises. Just dug up some old articles on women, head coverings, and teaching. BLECH! So happy to be out. So glad I don't have to raise my daughter in that mysogynistic, lie-down-and-take-it bullshit!
Jamie, I'm sorry you went through that. It makes absolutely no sense to stay in an abusive marriage. People who advise that lack common sense and empathy. Another way they ruin lives and families.
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Women can't face the audience from platform? Is this in writing?
by InterestedOne ini just read the thread about women & men waking up etc.
and saw a post saying women can't face the audience from the platform.
i thought, hmm yeah, now that i think about it, they're always looking sideways, like toward the other woman in the role-playing, or if they're being interviewed, they look toward the guy at the podium.
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DanaBug
Odd, I didn't find any reference to either of these scriptures in the OD book or to sisters teaching. I've never seen anything that explicitly says sisters have to face each other when participating in the school. I think that's just how it's done; well, how else would they do it? And sidenote, a sister can read on stage for the Watchtower study if no qualified brothers are attending.
Here's what I found:
*** w64 4/1 p. 208 par. 9 Her Head Covering and Congregational Activities ***
No head covering is required for sisters taking part in demonstrations, relating experiences, or when handling student talks as demonstrations at the congregation’s ministry school. In such cases the sisters are not presiding in the congregation. They are not trying to instruct the brothers or direct them in what they should do, and so, in not wearing a head covering, there is no violation of Scriptural principle. However, the sisters do greatly contribute to the upbuilding of all in the congregation. For that reason a sister should never underestimate the benefit of any part she may have in the program, either by giving an experience or sharing in a demonstration. (This article is beyond ridiculous, especially when you read all the way to par 19)
*** w61 6/1 p. 352 Questions From Readers ***
? Are sisters required to wear a head covering when giving the third and fourth student talks in the theocratic ministry school?—D. H., United States.No, it is not necessary for sisters to wear a head covering when giving these talks. They are not teaching dedicated males but only giving demonstrations of their own teaching ability for the purpose of being counseled. Since this is the purpose of their giving these talks and since the school is under male supervision, sisters are not required to wear a head covering. For similar reasons they would not be required to wear a head covering when taking part in service meeting demonstrations.
*** w73 4/15 p. 255 Questions From Readers ***
? Why are women allowed to speak up at the meetings of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses even though 1 Corinthians 14:34 says that “it is not permitted for them to speak”?—U.S.A.The application of the apostle Paul’s inspired command should be understood in the light of the context. When Paul wrote, the meetings of the congregation at Corinth, including those meetings where unbelievers were present, lacked order. More than one person at a time would be prophesying or speaking in a tongue. (1 Cor. 14:22-32) Evidently some women there would raise challenging questions and dispute with men appointed to teach the congregation. Thus these women were actually assuming the position of teachers and ignoring the position of headship assigned to the man.—1 Cor. 11:3.
Correcting the situation, Paul called attention to the fact that “God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace.” (1 Cor. 14:33) Respecting women, he wrote: “Let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak, but let them be in subjection, even as the Law says. If, then, they want to learn something, let them question their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in a congregation.” (1 Cor. 14:34, 35) This admonition is in agreement with Paul’s later words in his first letter to Timothy: “Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.”—1 Tim. 2:11, 12.
Accordingly, the command for women not to speak applied whenever such speaking had the unwholesome effect of undermining the authority of the men in the congregation. That it did not rule out all speaking on the part of women is evident from 1 Corinthians 11:5: “Every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered shames her head.” However, it would have been disgraceful for women to raise challenging questions or to lift themselves up above the men assembled and begin instructing them. For them to do such things would also have brought reproach on their husbands.
In keeping with the apostolic pattern, women in the congregations of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses do not teach the congregation at public meetings. They do not exercise authority over men. Any speaking they do is under the direction of men appointed to oversee the meeting. Thus at no time does their speaking contradict the authority men exercise in the congregation.
And here's a real gem! (a little off topic)
*** w51 9/1 p. 543 Questions From Readers ***
? Is it necessary for a woman to cover her head when conducting a home Bible study? When such a covering is or is not required is causing much discussion in our company.—P. W., Ohio.After 10 paragraphs discussing it: Knowing now the principles involved, let us show Christian maturity and apply these for ourselves, conscientiously, and not have to ask others on every imaginable situation. The Society would soon be compiling a set of regulations as voluminous as the Talmud if it endeavored to prescribe specific rules for all the varying cases. In fallen man under Satan’s influence there is always the tendency to substitute rules for principles. It is so much easier to conform the conduct to a rule than to make a principle inform the whole life. Moses prescribed rules; Christ inculcated principles. Rules are for children; principles for men and women mature in Christian growth. So now show maturity in applying the principles herein given regarding head-covering, making your decisions conscientiously, and you will not properly be criticized by others.
Guess things change in 60 years!
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Women can't face the audience from platform? Is this in writing?
by InterestedOne ini just read the thread about women & men waking up etc.
and saw a post saying women can't face the audience from the platform.
i thought, hmm yeah, now that i think about it, they're always looking sideways, like toward the other woman in the role-playing, or if they're being interviewed, they look toward the guy at the podium.
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DanaBug
IO, women not teaching is from 1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Cor. 14:34,35. Of course, they ignore Priscilla, Phoebe, Debra, etc. I don't remember seeing anything in print about why demonstrations don't qualify as teaching though.
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two "sisters" on my flight
by dogisgod ini was on a flight working the beverage cart when i spied with my little eyes two women reading wt material.
i served them and said they looked like jehovah's witnesses.
they smiled and asked if i was a witness and i said nooooooooo.
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DanaBug
Ha! Love it! Can't exactly run the other way on a plane and sticking fingers in the ears would look a bit odd. Hopefully that's something they'll remember.
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DanaBug
However, studies only go back a hundred years or so, if that. So how can we justify running around like Chickens with our heads cut off if these changes are just part of earths natural cycles of renewal? The earth has always had earthquakes and volcanoes as part of it's renewal system, but do we include these in the Global Warming argument?
How do you reconcile that last sentence with the first?
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Did you make very good comments at the Kingdom Hall?
by Iamallcool indid you study beforehand?
alot?
did you only "study" while you are reading the paragraphs during the wt study and still make great comments?.
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DanaBug
I did. It was expected by my parents, being the "good example" family. Not studying or commenting was a sign of a problem, had to do it to avoid the Inquisition.
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Man's Face Swallowed By Tumors Because JW Mom Refuses Surgery!
by ProdigalSon init gets worse daily, it seems.
just saw an hour-long program on this poor guy, on the learning channel..... "the man who lost his face".
http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56437.41352.0.
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DanaBug
I saw this too! It didn't say whether he or his sister were Witnesses. They did say the mom died, so they were finally looking for treatment for him. And he did get a transfusion during the operation and they used a cell saver. That story was amazing! A 15 hour surgery! Those tumors were huge, I can't even imagine what that would feel like to live with. Thank God for doctors, medicine, and blood transfusions, lol!
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It might be better to not even have the Internet. April 15th WT
by life is to short inok i was just blown away when i heard this today while driving, at first i thought it was the some old same old but then it went on and it seems like it is on a different level.. the subheading is "guard your heart by exercising self-control.
on page 27 par 17 it says "one way a person could wonder into the foolish course of the "young man in want of heart" is by aimlessly flipping though television channels or surfing the internet.
whether intentionally or not, he might chance upon sexually stimulating scenes.
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DanaBug
Non-witnesses everyday make decisions to not look at porn or stare at another woman's ass. If JW's can't manage those things it is because they are mentally and emotionally stunted by their controlling religion.
That's exactly it! They're treated like children. Listen to Mother and never disobey her! Don't make a decision without consulting her first!
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Of serious concern
by sabastious insometimes i am proud that i was able to break the bonds that held me in the watchtower bubble for so long.
lately though, i've been wondering if i have merely traded the borders the watchtower circled around me with some other nonsensical set of rules.. my home, redding ca, is a center piece of a four way intersection of highways and freeways.
many of them go through the mountains and forests and can be extremely dangerous.
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DanaBug
Why isn't there a DMV provision for someone to take a controlled driving test several times under different levels of intoxication. Then you could quantify each person's tolerance level at that point in their life. If someone chose to take this test they could get a tag on their licence that gave their "Adjusted Blood Alcohol Limit."
Because tolerance doesn't stay the same. Really. My fiance's best friend is a massive alcoholic. He finishes at least an 18 pack in an evening and is still highly functioning. And then out of the blue, he can be falling down drunk after 8 beers. I'm not kidding. I know you don't mean that much alcohol, but if tolerance doesn't stay the same, it's better to be safe and disallow driving by anyone with an alcohol level above a certain point.