Posts by oldlightnewshite

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Jehovah's Witnesses - God's Sovereignty and Satan's Lie

by sabastious in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htrbayyrbkg.

-sab.

oldlightnewshite

Good vid sab,

This actual theme is what bothered me for a long time in my last few years as a witness. The crux of the JW idea of the 'theme of the bible', that being sovereignty, just didn't cut it with me. I saw genesis as being the clay feet of a very flawed book. Also, with your arguement about the book of Job, I kind of saw the whole thing being like the plot from Eddie Murphy's 'Trading Places'. Mankind being the pawns in a big bet.

I really couldn't get my head around the idea that such a perfect creator could just abandon his first creations with a manslayer. Jehovah didn't think to appear and save his creations from a manipulative liar.... the whole thing smacks of a cobbled- together myth from early eastern cultures. Genesis is just way too simplistic and doesn't deal with any important points. It reads like a passive account, in brief detail.

Cheers

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Why is ok to copy the FLOCK book and not CoC?

by cyberjesus in

ok so both books are copyrighted, bottleofwater just asked to get a copy of coc a book that would save his life.

however when he asked for a copy he got replies that called him a thieve and many other things.

however when copying the new flock book many here copy the book and pass it along and not many say the same thing..... so i wonder what do you think?

oldlightnewshite

I think considering the whole PILE of money us chumps threw into the WT$ over the years, we have a right to anything they print. Regarding CoC, yeah, it saves lives. Ray's probably made his money, and I doubt he'd begrudge somebody their life back. I bought a copy, then downloaded a PDF simply because I couldn't be arsed to do it myself. I think if I'd downloaded the PDF first, I'd want to buy the book just to say thanks to Ray for the great sacrifice he made. It's sickening how he and his wife were tossed on the scrapheap by the Org after their life of slavery.

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I HATE this religion

by brotherdan in

so today was my first sunday meeting that i didn't go with my wife.

as an update she has decided not to move out right now...because she doesn't have anywhere to go.

but she is giving me the silent treatment.

oldlightnewshite

No offence with the clip bro. Dan. Pretty funny.

I know you're really upset, but that was a real result, getting the missus to go to marriage counselling. (The people I know who've gone to therapy/counselling have come away with a positive experience). She doesn't seem as hard-core as others might be. I'd take it as a subtle hint that she wants things to work out, at least. (Dubs I know would never go to counselling!)

For now she seems to be on the defensive and acting scared by your apostate views. She might seem a bit extreme at the moment and treating you badly, it's probably a fearful reaction, but I don't think it's because she doesn't love you. Everyone's been a bit 'full-on Dub' at some point in their life. Doesn't mean she can't change. I'm optimistic for you and your family.

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Dating a JW for 3 yrs

by justbreathe825 in

my bf and i are thinking on getting married.

i posted a foum early this week on whether or not i should get baptized.

i decided not to.. now even though he says he "doesn't care" he got upset last night when i mentioned the subject and how confused i was.

oldlightnewshite

You sound awfully pressured to me, and to be honest, you don't sound like you're going to put up much of a fight if they start to really push you, (which they will). Quite honestly, getting baptized may well be the single most dangerous thing you will ever do in your life. Personally, I can trace back a list of bad things in my life that point to one pivotal point. My baptism. I cannot tell you how much I really regret that decision, above all other stupid things I've ever done in my entire life.

as LeavingWT says....

DO NOT GET BAPTIZED AS ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

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WT cheese

by undercover in

rear cover of a certain new book that the average dub will never see (just wants to make you gag, doesn't it?).

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oldlightnewshite

They could have done something a little more in keeping with the book. Perhaps a young brother bent over in the back room, while 3 elders lovingly apply a glowing red hot poker?

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Dating a JW for 3 yrs

by justbreathe825 in

my bf and i are thinking on getting married.

i posted a foum early this week on whether or not i should get baptized.

i decided not to.. now even though he says he "doesn't care" he got upset last night when i mentioned the subject and how confused i was.

oldlightnewshite

Your situation worries me. Sounds like either your boyfriend doesn't know what he wants, or he does secretly know what he wants, but is scared to tell you.

At the end of the day, the choice will be a simple one for him. Pick either you and lose his family, or pick his family and lose you.

There are no grey areas with JWs. Most people would probably advise you to give him the elbow, as this will not work out well for you.

Sorry x

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If you believe in demons, which things you still believe?

by cyberjesus in

some here still believe in demons, therefore you still have some beliefs associated with demons, demon possesion, demons getting into furniture, black cats, bad luck, etc etc etc.

what things do you still believe regarding demons and why do you still believe it?>.

happy halloween, if you dont happy halloween too..

oldlightnewshite

I don't believe in demons, but know 2 people that claim they saw them. The interesting thing is, they said these demons were little blue men. These guys are from opposite sides of the world, saw the demons in different countries, and have different beliefs/traditions. I find it fascinating that somebody can recount a story which is, to all intents and purposes, about a smurf! (These folks aren't, and never were dubs). One guy saw his smurf when he was contemplating suicide on top of a building, and it encouraged him to jump and 'screw everybody'. The other guy saw a smurf while he was renovating an empty house in the countryside. He said that they portend a huge windfall. (He never got rich).

If I ever saw something like that, I certainly would never recount it to a friend. On here, maybe, coz nobody knows me.

I believe the human mind sometimes buggers up, even for the most rational of people. Anecdotal accounts are always real, because the person who saw them insists they were real. The experience is real to them. If my mate sees harvey the pink rabbit in his yard, and at the same time I don't....then what? How do you test stuff like this? I don't think this kind of stuff will ever be able to be tested empirically. period.

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"God Put it Into My Heart"

by leavingwt in

jw
friends

for those who've had god put something "into your heart", please describe the experience.

please be as vague or specific as you'd like to be.. .

was it unmistakable?.

oldlightnewshite

Lol @ OTWO.

The only thing god put in my heart was cholesterol. An innate desire for chips and burgers.

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Need Your Opinion

by bloominglotus in

jw
friends

hi u guys,.

lately i've been doing a lot of reflection about my life.

sometimes i would have overwhelming emotions come up ranging from anger, bitterness, sadness to relief.

oldlightnewshite

When I was a child, given the choice of going in field service or standing in the corner of a darkened room for 3 hours.... I'd take the corner. Just think of your kids. I would give them happy memories of their grandma, not traumatic. Make their together time free of JW overtones. Otherwise, they'll have sullied memories of a grandma that they couldn't relate to.

x

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If you have kids who are being exposed to JW beliefs

by Libelle in

it's becoming clearer and clearer that i need to muster some sort of strategy for countering the mr's indoctrination of the kids.

now some of these kids are stepkids, so that makes it a bit hairier.

but for our youngest, i will need to think about how to teach her other things too.

oldlightnewshite

Hey Libelle,

Speaking from experience, I was always curious about evolution at school. I was told to block out what the teacher was saying during history/humanites lessons. I think that had I actually learned the whole truth about evolution from a young age, I wouldn't have swallowed the WTS bull. I would say teach them a lot about science, anthropology and evolution. I realise this ain't gonna happen if you want your kids to develop some kind of spirituality. My take on it is this... let your kids be kids, and when their mind is mature enough and serious enough, then they will be able to explore a spiritual belief, or disbelief. My view is that the WTS is so dangerous, I would willingly sacrifice them actually having any kind of spiritual belief, rather than have their life screwed up by a dangerous cult.

Maybe you will now have to show them the way. Teach them that it's okay to question anything...not just religion. Teach them how science developed over the years... How the catholic church opposed the great thinkers like Galileo etc. They will soon draw conclusions that an organization can be closed-minded, obtuse, just plain wrong. They will see parallels with the way the Watchtower operates.

Maybe you could get interested in nature programmes? A lot of them are slanted towards modern scientific thinking. Even if it's not your 'bag'...you're gonna have to make it so. When you watch TV as a family, it's an excellent way of subtley influencing their thinking. Your kids may well find an interest in it too, if they see you are enjoying it. My mother especially hated anything nature/science related, as she said it was all satan's propaganda and lies.

Good luck. You're gonna need it!