Posts by Curtains

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Narcissistic mothers and JW,s

by jam in

my eldest son (40) and his jw mom (in here 60,s) can not have a. decent conversation before he storm off in anger.

all famlies have their problems, we are no different.

but for years.

Curtains

okay I was adding an edit to explain myself whilst you, mrs jones and moe were typing.

here is my edited post in full

I don't understand why you think I am blaming the victim?

edit

Seems to me you think no one should be talking about this on the board. It helps people to talk about their experiences. It helps folks to know that they aren't alone in their experiences. It helps.

I can assure you I was not thinking that.

I am quite interested in how personality disorders are diagnosed. One criterion for a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder is that the person inflicting the harm enjoys doing so and does not experience any suffering themselves in infliciting harm. Most mothers who inflict harm on their offspring do experience personal distress when they inflict harm. Very few don't and those who don't would certainly merit being diagnosed as having narcissistic personality disorder.

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Narcissistic mothers and JW,s

by jam in

my eldest son (40) and his jw mom (in here 60,s) can not have a. decent conversation before he storm off in anger.

all famlies have their problems, we are no different.

but for years.

Curtains

I don't understand why you think I am blaming the victim?

edit

Seems to me you think no one should be talking about this on the board. It helps people to talk about their experiences. It helps folks to know that they aren't alone in their experiences. It helps.

I can assure you I was not thinking that.

I am quite interested in how personality disorders are diagnosed. One criterion for a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder is that the person inflicting the harm enjoys doing so and does not experience any suffering themselves in infliciting harm. Most mothers who inflict harm on their offspring do experience personal distress when they inflict harm. Very few don't and those who don't would certainly merit being diagnosed as having narcissistic personalituy disorder.

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Narcissistic mothers and JW,s

by jam in

my eldest son (40) and his jw mom (in here 60,s) can not have a. decent conversation before he storm off in anger.

all famlies have their problems, we are no different.

but for years.

Curtains

here is what I said mrs jones

well I've read this thread with interest and the most important thing I'm seeing described are clashes of culture between mothers and their children. These clashes are distressing, no doubt about that, but it is inportant to recognize that many of the mothers described here are simply reflecting the culture in which they were brought up. In a different time and place they would be considered normal. If these clashes of culture between you and your mother are bothering you get some psychotherapy.

I don't believe in any kind of assignment of blame.

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Narcissistic mothers and JW,s

by jam in

my eldest son (40) and his jw mom (in here 60,s) can not have a. decent conversation before he storm off in anger.

all famlies have their problems, we are no different.

but for years.

Curtains

well I've read this thread with interest and the most important thing I'm seeing described are clashes of culture between mothers and their children. These clashes are distressing, no doubt about that, but it is inportant to recognize that many of the mothers described here are simply reflecting the culture in which they were brought up. In a different time and place they would be considered normal. If these clashes of culture between you and your mother are bothering you get some psychotherapy.

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Latest research findings: The more believers doubt their own beliefs, the more they proselytize in favor of them .

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

on december 10, 2010, appearing in our local newspaper was an article titled, social science palooza, written by columnist, david brooks.

"every day, hundreds of thousands of scholars study human behavior.

every day, a few of their studies are bundled and distributed via e-mail by kevin lewis, who covers the social sciences for the boston globe and national affairs.

Curtains

Hi Barbara

I think these findings are most true of people whose beliefs are ideologically and/or emotionally based. Both are true of Jehovahs witnesses.

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Ok, so there is a gap in my reasoning ... but that's a good thing

by Simon in

jw
friends

i was going to post a 'welcome' message for all the new people who may have got a computer for christmas and are making their first forray into the online world.. of course, not many jws are going to be getting a computer or much else for christmas right?.

kinda-strange for me to forget about such a big thing like that eh?!

it's pretty good though to have moved on so that the jw indoctrinated mindset isn't the first thing that springs to mind.. hope you're all having a great christmas and wherever you are in the recovery process that you feel a little bit better today than you did yesterday, more free and relaxed than you did last year and looking forward to your new life in 2011.. there's going to be lots of changes coming for this site hopefully in the next week or so and probably continuing over the next year.

Curtains

merry chirstmas to you and your family simon.

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Evolution in a Theological context

by PSacramento in

in human evolution in theological context, physicist, theologian, and minister george murphy offers a theological look at human evolution and the implications it has for christianity.. .

http://biologos.org/uploads/projects/murphy_scholarly_essay.pdf.

Curtains

thanks for the further link psac. It is always interesting to me when theologians take evolution on board and then go back to the scriptures and are honest enough to take a new look at their cherished beliefs. John Shelby Spong was another such guy. What they seem to do is confront belief in God as a dilemma and, to me, they seem almost to be atheists when they do so. Murphy also comes accross to me like this. I remember being very unsettled by Spong but I now feel at home about entertaining an atheistic position. For this reason I have come to value CREATIVE IMAGINATION as it enables me to go to a place that used to be occupied by an all good God and still experience the same or even better effects of peace and tranquility yet still be tuned to the dilemma of being a multifaced me.

To me this latter point is a crucial aspect of belief in God. Murphy in his essay does seem to keep the tension of good and bad as existing in God through the passion of Christ. Whereas in my former belief in God I located evil in man and in the creation leaving God to occupy the spot of total goodness. Nowadays it seems to me that if one locates good and bad within God then one is more of an atheist than a believer.

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Evolution in a Theological context

by PSacramento in

in human evolution in theological context, physicist, theologian, and minister george murphy offers a theological look at human evolution and the implications it has for christianity.. .

http://biologos.org/uploads/projects/murphy_scholarly_essay.pdf.

Curtains

psac, what an extraordinary article. Thanks for posting a link. I marked several points for more thought and will come back later. But I would like to hear your thoughts on the following

The Augustine Iraeneus opposition. Which side of the debate are you on if the debate is framed as Murphy describes it.

What Murphy says about the human capacity for misunderstanding scripture and for actually being wrong about our interpretations (for example he very clearly says Paul is wrong in his conclusion about sin). Do you agree?

My own position on scripture is that we look into a mirror when we read the bible. We then see aspects of creation and creating (I mean creation in the sense of something made/crafted rather than fixed and fully formed and as coming out of nothing all at once, somewhat in the sense that Murphy uses the term - an evolutionary participation between God/all). Regarding my mirror analogy, I quite like Pauls description of the mirror - that it is hazy and is like looking into a glass darkly (1cor13:12).

edit: I hope I sound coherent. typing in a hurry as I have to hand my computer over for a short while.

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What Foods & Goodies Do You Want To Eat During The Holidays?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i'm hungry!.

i'd love to eat a greek salad with plenty of feta and a blt (with the bacon crispy!

)..

Curtains

steak pie and gravy.

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If Genesis isn't taken literally, who's sin did Jesus die for?

by unshackled in

this is an interesting blog post by the author cj werleman - write of the books god hates you, hate him back and jesus lied - he was only human.

he writes with a good dose of humor which usually helps get his point across.. the blog post dissects the latest gallup poll results regarding 40% of americans believe in biblical creationism.

but the point i found interesting in it was that if you don't believe the genesis account is literal....then jesus atoned for the sin of a fictitious character, adam.. here is a quote from the blog...but please give the whole thing a read, makes more sense that way:.

Curtains

cantleave

Why spend so much time analysing mythology?

mythology is a great medium for making and breaking with traditional ways of seeing and believing. The myths themselves are unstable and have the power to disturb our thinking. If the Genises account of Adam is taken like this and in a non literal way then we can ask ourselves what assumptions are at work, what events from real life are being inferred and are there some themes and experiences that remain the same through time. Themes of male and female, purity and impurity, human and animal interaction, a hard life v an edenic one.

edit: however there comes a time when one must leave the armchair and do something active - and that is what I'm going to do now - bye bye.