she says she can prove i will die if i'm not in the "truth" strictly using the bible .
Don't worry she can't PROVE anything - if she said she could PROVE Santa ia real because she has a book that says so, would you believe a word of it? Of course not. The Bible is just such a book, used to prove the exixtence of one of it's characters. It has no validity.
However, you are going to die. It could happen at any time and place. That's life my friend, we all die, so stop worrying about it.
i believe the wts has completely misapplied matthew 24:1-35. .
i believe the scripture is quite clear that jesus was speaking to his own generation and not some obscure future or 1914 generation.. if you happen to be a jw and/or futurist, what makes you believe jesus was talking about events that would transpire in the 20th/21st century?.
vander.
And the stars will dance, Angels will sing, and pigs will fly.
i believe the wts has completely misapplied matthew 24:1-35. .
i believe the scripture is quite clear that jesus was speaking to his own generation and not some obscure future or 1914 generation.. if you happen to be a jw and/or futurist, what makes you believe jesus was talking about events that would transpire in the 20th/21st century?.
vander.
Well, as Elijah mocked the Baal worshippers of old, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened,” so the same words can be applied to Jesus.
Whether the signs applied once upon a time or a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...or will apply in the future mists of time, at least people generally agree he ain't here now...except those who say it's invisibly...As for me, I think Elijah had a good point.
i believe the wts has completely misapplied matthew 24:1-35. .
i believe the scripture is quite clear that jesus was speaking to his own generation and not some obscure future or 1914 generation.. if you happen to be a jw and/or futurist, what makes you believe jesus was talking about events that would transpire in the 20th/21st century?.
vander.
@Vanderhoven7
Did you even bother to read the page you link to?
It states in the conclusion:
"Did the Jerusalem Christians flee to Pella just before the Romans destroyed their city? There is no way to know for sure. We can only deal in probabilities. If we accept as reliable the accounts of Eusebius and others, the issue is settled...for when evidence is incomplete, selected and biased reading and interpretations of data can usually yield the desired conclusion."
How did this produce your statement "The fact is that over a million Jews perished in Jerusalem...whereas Christians en masse fled the city."? It's the ABSENCE of facts that makes the result unknown. The first clear reference comes from the fourth century church historian Eusebius. Yes, hundreds of years later a Christian historian says it happened, and from that you conclude it's a fact?
Maybe Christans did run away, maybe many non Christians did too, but there in no EVIDENCE whatsoever that this was done in obedience to any words spoken by Jesus decades before, therefore it cannot be said to be a fact.
a quote from page 28 of the new brochure, as released at assemblies this summer.. metatron.
It's not the Watchtower that says God hates homosexuality, it's the Bible, so let's not put all the blame at their doorstep.
The Bible writers were homophobic - fact! And for those that suggest Jesus is all love and it's just that nasty biblical God and the other Bible writers who hate Gays, it's a package deal.
It's one reason among hundreds why I don't believe for a moment in God, or that the Bible is inspired by any Biblical God.
I am not Gay myself, but given the choice between living forever in Paradise with homosexual neighbors or the self-righteous bastards in the Kingdom Halls, I know who I would choose.
i heard i was "too interested in making money" and that i was letting "worldly pleasures" get in the way.. did you ever hear anything about your departure??
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"If you really think you can have friends in this cult, just leave and you'll discover who your real friends are..."
How true this is. And it extends to family too. Some are reluctant to disown, but there are others only too eager. Real friendships are very rare - and even if you think you have a friend, they are likely to express a negative opinion of you behind you back. Judging others is a normal activity within each congregation, and it's often done to elevate the one judging.
I remember one elder saying his employer, also a JW, was less spiritual than him because he worked full time in his fruitselling business. However, if it was not for this man's generosity the elder and his wife would often have starved - that lazy good for nothing elder thought pioneering was more important that feeding his wife, and was not even grateful when given gifts of fruit and vegetables, always saying he 'deserved' the help of his fellow brothers due to his JW activities. Imagine if that person was stumbled by that elder's disregard for his duties as a husband - the elder would see that as confirmation that he was right all along that his employer was indeed weak - the fact that HE was a jerk would not even enter his mind. This is the way it is in that Org., and when someone leaves or is stumbled, the gossip mill often starts churning out all sorts of crap to make sure the blame stays outside the congregation and with the victim.
the watchtower society describes the year 539 bc variously as being an "absolute date", a "pivotal date"; and certainly one on which the chronology of the entire "hebrews scriptures" depends upon.
(some jw apologists have even described that year as being a "drop dead" date).
however, this date of 539 bc didn't just fall out of the sky and mysteriously land on our lap:.
@Larsinger58
You lost me at 'Trust me'.
they regard themselves as "true christians".. do you view them as christians?.
JW's are as Christian as any other religion. It's just a title and each religion interprets what that means in such a way that theirs is the best and, in the case of many evangelicals the only true Christianity. There is no pure Christianity - it is all subjective, even when drawing it directly from the Bible.
Better to change the question to 'are its members demonstrating a Christian character', and most are not - Which is the same of most others too.
In fact, from my experience the louder someone shouts they are a Christian, the less likely they really are.
why do the jws consider pansuits worm by women not appropriate attire?.
pantsuits are considered appropriate attire in the conservative business world.. secretary of state hilary clinton wears pantsuits quite often.. would pantsuits be considered appropriate for a visit to bethel?
if someone showed up at bethel wearing them, would be be asked to leave?.
The Bible refers to dressing modestly, period. Anything else is made up by the pharisses JW's call elders.
only one is a guy...a mini serve .
one is a reg pioneer.... all are actually pretty key to my biz....three have been there over 20 years (ya...i am a great boss!!!).
how much pressure are they going to get to quit working for me???.
Talk to them all, have a meeting. Remind them that you have always been a good boss and reassure them. It's not only you who is nervous about this change, they will be too. Tell them you value them and that you want them to continue just as before, that the religion need never be discussed. Then, tell them your business depends on continuity, and you are nervous that any of them may give short notice and leave. Ask them if they would agree to sign a contract indicating they will give proper notice of say, 3 months, and agree to train a replacement if that is their decision, but that you hope they will remain with you.
The more open and honest you are, like above, the more likely you can minimise the difficulties. The fact is, whatever pressure is put on them to leave depends on the reasons you were DF and the attitude of the local elders and the CO. It is all subjective and varies considerably from congregation to congregation. If anyone bears a grudge, they will abandon their 'Christian personality' and target you from now on, feeling justified before God. Love does not come into it.
