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  Proof of Jesus' Deity using the NWT - One Simple Scripture

  by GOrwell in

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  now, this topic is not about providing proof of the trinity using the nwt, but is instead about the deity of jesus.

  yes, they are similar, but different, topics.. specifically, we can use the nwt to show the deity of jesus and how the people/authors of his day viewed who he was.

  this bible quotation won't even come from the fallback jesus-is-god book of john, but instead comes from the book of luke.

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  Is it that much of a stretch PS?

  That verse says he did as he was told.
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  Proof of Jesus' Deity using the NWT - One Simple Scripture

  by GOrwell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  now, this topic is not about providing proof of the trinity using the nwt, but is instead about the deity of jesus.

  yes, they are similar, but different, topics.. specifically, we can use the nwt to show the deity of jesus and how the people/authors of his day viewed who he was.

  this bible quotation won't even come from the fallback jesus-is-god book of john, but instead comes from the book of luke.

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  Agreed - it is pretty difficult to discuss the divinity/deity of Jesus without the Trinity, and I assume once you accept the deity, it would follow you would accept the Trinity (for the vast majority of people; there are some who accept Jesus' deity without accepting the Trinity).

  Since there's always been I've always been curious of who the earliest of Christians believed Jesus to be. Outside of the Book of John, which was written 60+ years (much more time for a proper mythology to develop) after Jesus' death, this example from the book of Luke is a pretty strong indication of who the 'common' person believed Jesus to be.

  It is interesting that Freddy never caught this link. You're right Ding, not much slipped by him, but this sure seemed to. As mentioned, other translations simply use the word "So," instead of accordingly. But accordingly has such a stronger connotation to it - the man was asked to do A, and he did exactly as he was told by doing B.

  This scripture is also a great one to use if a JW comes to your door, as 99% of them are not going to be familiar with it, and they will do a double, or maybe even a triple take. If you're lucky, it might even stun them into silence. The key is to focus on the word accordingly.
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  Proof of Jesus' Deity using the NWT - One Simple Scripture

  by GOrwell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  now, this topic is not about providing proof of the trinity using the nwt, but is instead about the deity of jesus.

  yes, they are similar, but different, topics.. specifically, we can use the nwt to show the deity of jesus and how the people/authors of his day viewed who he was.

  this bible quotation won't even come from the fallback jesus-is-god book of john, but instead comes from the book of luke.

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  Well, that that one word was put into a translation made by a cult that doesn't believe (and miltantly so) in the Trinity or the deity of Jesus really says something. Most other translations say something along the lines that the man did just "so," or that "so" he went did and did as he was told. However, the word "accordingly" really gives more meaning into the man's actions. He did just as he was told, and equated Jesus directly with God.
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  Proof of Jesus' Deity using the NWT - One Simple Scripture

  by GOrwell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  now, this topic is not about providing proof of the trinity using the nwt, but is instead about the deity of jesus.

  yes, they are similar, but different, topics.. specifically, we can use the nwt to show the deity of jesus and how the people/authors of his day viewed who he was.

  this bible quotation won't even come from the fallback jesus-is-god book of john, but instead comes from the book of luke.

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  Now, this topic is NOT about providing proof of the Trinity using the NWT, but is instead about the deity of Jesus. Yes, they are similar, but different, topics.

  Specifically, we can use the NWT to show the deity of Jesus and how the people/authors of his day viewed who he was. This Bible quotation won't even come from the fallback Jesus-is-God Book of John, but instead comes from the Book of Luke. Now, some translations (naturally) translate this verse differently, but the NWT translates it in a very interesting manner, using a very telling word.

  The quote comes from Luke 8:26-39. This well-known story is about Jesus' expelling demons from a man into a herd of swine, which then proceed off a cliff. Now, the morals of killing an entire herd of swine aside, let's read Luke 8:39, 39, which occurs just after the man is exorcised of the demons:

  "However, the man from whom the demons had gone out kept begging to continue with him; but he dismissed the man, saying: 39 “Be on your way back home, and keep on relating what things God did for you.” Accordingly he went away, proclaiming throughout the whole city what things Jesus did for him."

  Now, other translations have the same idea of the previously possessed man associating the miracle to God, and by extension Jesus. However, the NWT uses a very specific word here : Accordingly, which I haven't found in another translation, although the idea is there.

  This word is very important. It's important in my mind, because it insinuates that the man did exactly what he was told. Jesus said to the man to tell his friends and his hometown and every one he met to credit the exorcism to God. What did the man do? "Accordingly" he credited the exorcism to Jesus.

  He credited the exorcism to Jesus, although he was told to credit it to God, and he was doing exactly what he was told to do. It seems to me that this man viewed Jesus as God.

  Interesting, no? All just because of one little word - accordingly.
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  Witnessing by Mail - Where Do They Get the Addresses From???

  by AudeSapere in

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  i'm wondering where the publishers get their address lists when they do 'witnessing-by-mail'.. i live in a gated community (moved here 6-years ago).

  this week i received a letter addressed to my *parents* (mr. & mrs. xxxxxxx xxxxx) who have been divorced for 17 years and neither of whom have *ever* lived at this address.. i'm thinking the "mr & mrs" part is just an assumption on their part.. from time to time i get mail address to my father (blue cross solicitations, etc), but he has never used my address as his own and has never lived here.. any suggestions as to just how the local cong would get his name and my address on their mailing list??????.

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  In Canada at least, you could get/buy the reverse address book (?) from Canada Post, which listed all addresses/names for a postal code/area.. please correct me if i'm wrong, it's been 15 years since telephone/letter witnessing ;)
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  Why I Left Jehovah's Witnesses--a 10-page essay by sd-7

  by sd-7 in

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  why i left jehovahs witnesses.

  they can be painful to bear, but sometimes that is part of life in a setting with many people and their various personalities.. it was my examination of evidence that did lead me to leave jehovahs witnesses.

  they, of course, had failed to bear proper witness to his name.

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  thanks sd-7... very eloquent..
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  Anyone ever went from Athiesm to Theism?

  by Silent_Scream in

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  if so, how'd that happen?.

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  @ Anony Mouse : "Atheists don't say God doesn't exist, they say God could exist but there is no valid manifestation of or test for this being therefore there is no valid reason for me to believe in such being, you might as well believe in an invisible pink unicorn."

  I think you're confusing Atheists with Agnostics?

  A hard-core, 100%, Level 7 (on the Dawkins scale - Dawkins said he is a 6) will say that God does not exist.
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  How did Jesus and his apostles make money?

  by sabastious in

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  jesus and his apostles were once found eating other people's wheat yield.

  however the law in question was reported to be the sabbath; so it must not have been considered stealing?.

  regardless, how did they earn money?

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  If I recall, the poor ones of Israel were allowed to 'glean' on the outskirts of the wheat field. Jewish farmers were to leave a certain, small portion of the wheat for such people.

  And, if I recall Paul's words, he was mostly for being self-sufficient and usually wouldn't take charity from the congregations, but did accept it on occasion..
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  I worry about you all, regarding the promotion of "Steven Hassan's." book. Why?

  by AvocadoJake in

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  dear brothers and sisters, .

  i worry about you jumping on steven hassan's ideas which are not new, in fact, after reading a good chunk of his book today, nothing he has written is fresh and new to the psychology world.

  so far, i have been cautious about revealing who or what schooling and background i have.

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  AJ.. you're a great poster.. but, paragraphs man.. use them and love them :)
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  Question

  by redspider in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why was it 3 days before jesus was resurected after he was torched on the stake?.

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  you know, bible historicty aside, if the scripture said just "three days," I'd say it maybe was 3 days and maybe it wasn't 3 days. But it explicitly says 3 days and 3 nights.. that 1950 watchtower article is just another example of the WT's favourite past-time of inserting meanings when the scriptures are clear..