Cygnus,
Sorry to hear about your grandfather, my condolences.
I've been 2 a few JW services and it's true man, they use it as a way to preach their message.
It sounds like you have an elder who is a friend of the family, so he may be more inclined to follow your wishes.
It's good to know that your family are able to treat you properly despite your choices in life.
It's taken my family 5 years to get to this stage.
We lost our father last month who was divorced from our mother who is the JW.
We had a traditional funeral for Dad, this is not in agreement with the JW way, and my family respected this and attended it despite what the church says.
I have 1 sister DA'd and a brother and sister who are inactive but staunch for the "truth" and I'm DF'd.
It was a very sad time, but it has brought us kids closer together.
I hope all goes well for you and your family.
Kepa
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24Grandfather died
by Cygnus inand now there is a debate between my father and his sister whether there should be a memorial service at the kingdom hall.. is there a rule whereby an elder who gives a memorial service at a kingdom hall must use the society's outline?
because my father and my grandmother have made it quite clear that he under no circumstances do they want that.
(i'm very blessed to have jw family who do not shun me even with the long hair (yes it is growing back), earring, and, oh yeah, disfellowshipment).
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Hours it Takes to Get One Baptized Publisher
by Smoldering Wick inmarlon.
location: wales uk.
just a thought a quick calculation in 2001 it took around 4,438 hours to get one baptised publisher.
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Kep
True dat sista !!
I did the same, spent 5 years pounding the pavement.
For what ? Some book that tells you how to be more effective.
Sheesh!!
I looked at the photo of my class and the majority of them are like me.
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Announcing the Great Apostate Song Contest.
by Mindchild ininspired by district overbeer valis and his smurf sticker contest, i decided to up the ante and announce a song contest for all you so inclined to play.. what i have in mind is this: take any recorded song you like, even the dreaded jw kingdom songs, and redub them to something much more fun!.
if you have a cool bastardized song (well that is what valis says it is called when you do this) then we can try it out at some of the apostofests that seem to be popping up like crazy all over!.
what do you win?
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Okay here goes.
Original song by Bob Marley - No Woman No Cry
This version - No Study You Die
Sorry haven't got a site with this song..No study you die
No study you dieSay say, say I remember when we used to sit
In the kingdom halls for the meetings
Oba- oba-serving the hypocrites
As they would fill our minds up with their bullshit
Good times are gone, just preaching from now on
Do what the say
Tell all them elders, to kiss my hairy ass
I've found the place for me
And.....
No study you die
No study you die
Ere little worldly, don't shed no tears
No study you dieSay say, say I remember when we used to sit
In our private homes to study
And they would tell you, the time is near at hand
So turn to, their church and you'll be alright
And we would preach to all the wicked
And tell them we've the truth
So cut your hair, length-en that skirt
So many books to sell you
You got to stu-dy themEveryone's gotta see the light ( x 8)
No study you die.......
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Announcing the Great Apostate Song Contest.
by Mindchild ininspired by district overbeer valis and his smurf sticker contest, i decided to up the ante and announce a song contest for all you so inclined to play.. what i have in mind is this: take any recorded song you like, even the dreaded jw kingdom songs, and redub them to something much more fun!.
if you have a cool bastardized song (well that is what valis says it is called when you do this) then we can try it out at some of the apostofests that seem to be popping up like crazy all over!.
what do you win?
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Kep
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Another Newbie
by Kep inhi there,.
my name is kep, and i've been looking on and off for a while and hadn't had the courage to say hello.. however, i feel i should should introduce myself as i've posted comments over the past 2 days.. i have enjoyed this site and have been able to see that there are many good ex-jws, just like me.. i have been "out" for almost 7 years now, and in the last 6 months have finally been able to let go of the borg.. free at last....
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Kep
Thanks everyone, it feels like home away from home.
I will write out my passage to freedom, it seems so similar to many already here.
That's good, I'm not the only one to feel this way.
Although, now I have finally been able to get over it, I feel encouraged by everyone else here.
Thank you.
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Another Newbie
by Kep inhi there,.
my name is kep, and i've been looking on and off for a while and hadn't had the courage to say hello.. however, i feel i should should introduce myself as i've posted comments over the past 2 days.. i have enjoyed this site and have been able to see that there are many good ex-jws, just like me.. i have been "out" for almost 7 years now, and in the last 6 months have finally been able to let go of the borg.. free at last....
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Kep
Hi there,
My name is Kep, and I've been looking on and off for a while and hadn't had the courage to say hello.
However, I feel I should should introduce myself as I've posted comments over the past 2 days.
I have enjoyed this site and have been able to see that there are many good ex-JWs, just like me.
I have been "out" for almost 7 years now, and in the last 6 months have finally been able to let go of the Borg.
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New member
by aprostate inwell heres my story and i'm sticking to it :).
my grandmother became a witness when my mom was a teenager.
my mom became one when i was 4. that would be in 1954. i remember going to the international convention in ny at the yankee stadium and polo grounds.
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Hello a prostate,
I'm a newbie too, I read your story & I can relate to a lot of it.
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I was at the SM last night.....
by VioletAnai inthey were discussing sodom and gomorah and how if jah had found a few righteous men in that city, both cities would be spared.
not a one was found.
however, they mention jah protected lot and his daughters, as they were faithful and living nearby.
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Kep
How can God allow this to happen? Because as Derrick says, he shows patience and loving-kindness over his people?
Does that mean God has seperate rules for his people according to how his will is defined by them?
God has outlined his basic principles as these girls would be well aware of that, and yet they violated them in the cause of God’s purpose.
I cant help but compare their situation to the Borg .
Twisting peoples reasoning to fit their time frame, then changing it again and again, and yet continually saying it is according to God’s Purpose.
Just as Abraham and Sarah waited for such a long time before producing their own offspring, why then could the daughters of Lot not do the same. God would have provided for them if it was his purpose surely.
If God showed such patience and long-suffering then, for those who defy his standards so clearly, does he do the same today?
So as your last comments show VioletAnai, where is God’s foresight? Those girls should have developed and dsiplayed the fruits of patience and long-suffering in imitation of their God. -
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An Open Letter to Ray Franz
by mikepence in(please reply to this message with your own signature and added thoughts.
then, we will make sure that this reaches ray.).
dear ray,.
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Kep
Thank you Ray,
For over 6 years after being disfellowshipped I continued to view the organisation as the "truth", my beleifs remained theirs until reading your book.
Obviously many have read this publication and felt as I do.
My eyes have been opened, I no longer carry the deep seated fear that was instilled in me.
My anger and bitterness was directed at God as I beleived his spirit operated within the organisation.
Your book helped see that I should not blame God and helped me rekindle this relationship.
Thank you Ray from the bottom of my heart.
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can coc plant that seed of doubt
by jerome ini would like to ask ew-jws jw a question.
when you read the book crisis of conscience how instrumental was that book in getting you to leave the organisation.. i have a gf who is an active jw.... i by the way am wordly.
this religion thing is putting strain on our relationship.. she condems me for obtaining information about the watchtower from apostates or just about anyone who has something yo say about the org.
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I was disfellowshipped almost 7 years ago. In the last 8 months I have finally been able to let go as a result of this book.
As Celia mentions in her posting, the age of your gf is I feel important.
I've noticed that some feel this information is too old.
I grew up in the 70s & 80s was baptised in 1983.
The events written I could relate to.
I read this book 6 months ago and have finally been freed. I was still trapped by their teachings.
I had always regarded it as the "truth", never doubted it depsite being cast out unfairly. My issues lay with God and not the org. This book helped me see beyond what they claim.
Since reading it I have helped other ex-JWs find themselves and move on in life, not living in fear of what we thought was the truth.
I found this book very enlightening, and I'm reading the next one so I can't comment as yet.