I guess I should have been a bit clearer. NO, not from the tower. It is one of the illustrations on a yahoo e-mail group. But it is from the mind of a witness who obviously thinks that it is "intelligent" and yet it just makes the whole "fight satan" thing goofier. At least that is what I think.
therevealer
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Another one of those silly illustration thingies.
by therevealer inthis is just a small part of it but i wonder if this person thought out what they were saying.
are they not inferring that going to the hall and assemblies fails to help gain a relationship with jehovah, so why go then?
lol.
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Another one of those silly illustration thingies.
by therevealer inthis is just a small part of it but i wonder if this person thought out what they were saying.
are they not inferring that going to the hall and assemblies fails to help gain a relationship with jehovah, so why go then?
lol.
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This is just a small part of it but I wonder if this person thought out what they were saying. Are they not inferring that going to the hall and assemblies fails to help gain a relationship with Jehovah, So why go then? LOL
Are We Busy?
Satan called a convention. In his opening address to his demon angels, he said:
"We can't keep the Witnesses from going to the Kingdom Hall. We can't
keep them from reading their Bibles and knowing the truth, but, if they
gain a strong bond with Jehovah, our power over them is broken.
"So let them go to the Kingdom Halls, let them have their conventions
and assemblies, but steal their time, so they can't gain that
relationship with Jehovah. This is what I want you to do: Distract them
from gaining that close bond with Jehovah and maintaining that vital
relationship throughout their day!"There is more that I might post. good stuff
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What do you think?
by therevealer insilly stuff i have wondered in the past .
genesis 1:27 makes it sound like god created man separately and/or first.. then in 2:7 it sounds like he created adam first on his own.. in 2:18-22 it would seem to corroborate the adam first and eve second as a separate act.
plus in 2:18-22 it seems to infer in 2:18 that it was a separate notion on gods part that adam would be better off or happier with a helper or mate.
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Oh, that is nasty clearpoison. Just nasty LOL
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What do you think?
by therevealer insilly stuff i have wondered in the past .
genesis 1:27 makes it sound like god created man separately and/or first.. then in 2:7 it sounds like he created adam first on his own.. in 2:18-22 it would seem to corroborate the adam first and eve second as a separate act.
plus in 2:18-22 it seems to infer in 2:18 that it was a separate notion on gods part that adam would be better off or happier with a helper or mate.
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thank you for your kind comment snowbird Do you have a thought on it?
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What do you think?
by therevealer insilly stuff i have wondered in the past .
genesis 1:27 makes it sound like god created man separately and/or first.. then in 2:7 it sounds like he created adam first on his own.. in 2:18-22 it would seem to corroborate the adam first and eve second as a separate act.
plus in 2:18-22 it seems to infer in 2:18 that it was a separate notion on gods part that adam would be better off or happier with a helper or mate.
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Silly stuff I have wondered in the past
Genesis 1:27 makes it sound like god created man separately and/or first.
Then in 2:7 it sounds like he created adam first on his own.
In 2:18-22 it would seem to corroborate the adam first and eve second as a separate act. Plus in 2:18-22 it seems to infer in 2:18 that it was a separate notion on gods part that adam would be better off or happier with a helper or mate. Also in 2:20-22 it would seem that god didn't realize from the beginning that creating adam on his own without a mate was not the best decision. It is almost like god only caught on after adam's efforts in meeting and naming the animals seemed to leave/create a void that he decided on the helper/complement idea. Also if god had the notion of man filling the earth and spreading the garden earth wide how did he envision that process without a mate for adam.
(Genesis1:27) . . .And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God's image he created him; male and female he created them.
(Genesis2:7)7 And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul. . .
(Genesis2:18-22) . . .And Jehovah God went on to say: "It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him." 19 Now Jehovah God was forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens, and he began bringing them to the man to see what he would call each one; and whatever the man would call it, each living soul, that was its name. 20 So the man was calling the names of all the domestic animals and of the flying creatures of the heavens and of every wild beast of the field, but for man there was found no helper as a complement of him. 21 Hence Jehovah God had a deep sleep fall upon the man and, while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and then closed up the flesh over its place. 22 And Jehovah God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man.
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What does a demon or an evil spirit look like?
by foolsparadise inno they havent..because they dont exsist.
who needs demons to do bad things on the earth when we have people doing horrible things to each other since the beginning of time.
demons are just an easy way to pass of the blame...pretty easy to do since no one has ever seen one.. its like telling people there are evil invisible tooth faries lurking around every corner.
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Boy oh boy am I getting mileage from this image. Just like this.
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follow-up to the yearbook reference to writing committee gettin it right
by therevealer ini just love this one - for years (over 30) it was one thought (any that would have questioned would have been bad) but then as this article states "it became clear that it had nothing to do with".. .
*** w07 5/1 p. 30 questions from readers ***from the late 1800's until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of christ.
in 1931 the bible students took the bible-based name jehovah's witnesses, and in the november 15, 1933, issue of the watchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the "denarius" referred to in jesus' parable recorded at matthew 20:1-16. the 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. for many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with christ in 1930 and 1931 were "the last" called.
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Yes FatFreek. I get your drift. It was a 67 tower. this is the full reference:
*** w07 5/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
Questions From Readers
When does the calling of Christians to a heavenly hope cease?
The Bible does not reveal a precise answer to that question. We do know that the anointing of Jesus' disciples with a view to their heavenly inheritance began in 33 C.E. (Acts 2:1-4) We also know that after the death of the apostles, genuine anointed Christian "wheat" came to "grow together" with counterfeit Christians, "weeds." (Matthew 13:24-30) Then, starting in the late 1800's, anointed Christians were again prominently active. In 1919 "the harvest of the earth," including the gathering of the final ones of the anointed, began to be reaped.-Revelation 14:15, 16.
From the late 1800's until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of Christ. In 1931 the Bible Students took the Bible-based name Jehovah's Witnesses, and in the November 15, 1933, issue of The Watchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the "denarius" referred to in Jesus' parable recorded at Matthew 20:1-16. The 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. For many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly Kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with Christ in 1930 and 1931 were "the last" called. (Matthew 20:6-8) However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed.
In 1935 the "great crowd" of Revelation 7:9-15 was understood to be made up of "other sheep," Christians with an earthly hope, who would appear on the world scene in "the last days" and who as a group would survive Armageddon. (John 10:16; 2 Timothy 3:1; Revelation 21:3, 4) After that year, the thrust of the disciple-making work turned to the gathering in of the great crowd. Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.
Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual to take his place. (Romans 11:17-22) However, the number of genuine anointed ones who have become unfaithful is likely not large. On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.
How should a person be viewed who has determined in his heart that he is now anointed and begins to partake of the emblems at the Memorial? He should not be judged. The matter is between him and Jehovah. (Romans 14:12) However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special "insights," beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation. They humbly remember that some anointed men in the first century did not qualify to serve as elders or ministerial servants. (1 Timothy 3:1-10, 12, 13; Titus 1:5-9; James 3:1) Some anointed Christians were even spiritually weak. (1 Thessalonians 5:14) And sisters, although anointed, did not teach in the congregation.-1 Timothy 2:11, 12.
Hence, anointed Christians along with their other sheep companions strive to stay spiritually strong, cultivating the fruitage of the spirit and working for the peace of the congregation. All Christians, whether anointed or of the other sheep, work hard at preaching the good news and making disciples under the direction of the Governing Body. Anointed Christians are content to do this for as long as it is God's will that they remain on earth as Jehovah's servants. -
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follow-up to the yearbook reference to writing committee gettin it right
by therevealer ini just love this one - for years (over 30) it was one thought (any that would have questioned would have been bad) but then as this article states "it became clear that it had nothing to do with".. .
*** w07 5/1 p. 30 questions from readers ***from the late 1800's until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of christ.
in 1931 the bible students took the bible-based name jehovah's witnesses, and in the november 15, 1933, issue of the watchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the "denarius" referred to in jesus' parable recorded at matthew 20:1-16. the 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. for many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with christ in 1930 and 1931 were "the last" called.
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And FatFreek, although I don't get the impression that I need to enlighten you, in the april 15 2010 tower they almost advertise how they keep changing their minds. Of course when they do it they explain it away as new light and a desire to get it right. When christendom does it (changes any aspect of dogma or beleif) it is proof that they are part of babylon the great and guided by satan.
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follow-up to the yearbook reference to writing committee gettin it right
by therevealer ini just love this one - for years (over 30) it was one thought (any that would have questioned would have been bad) but then as this article states "it became clear that it had nothing to do with".. .
*** w07 5/1 p. 30 questions from readers ***from the late 1800's until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of christ.
in 1931 the bible students took the bible-based name jehovah's witnesses, and in the november 15, 1933, issue of the watchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the "denarius" referred to in jesus' parable recorded at matthew 20:1-16. the 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. for many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with christ in 1930 and 1931 were "the last" called.
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Ah yes. We can go on for some time looking at what "they said" and when etc. I personally was not bringing this up to debate dogma or even jw dogma. For me the point is simple. For many years they taught something about a parable and what the flock should beleive. Then when they could see that it made no sense and that there was no easy fix they admitted that it had "nothing" to do with it. A more honest statement would have been "it was realized that we were totally wrong". But of course we can't have any of that, because it was Jehovah's holy spirit that guided them in there interpretation for 30 years. So either his spirit misguided them or they weren't listening properly or heaven forbid the shite they spew has nothing to do with holy spirit. It is not unlike the overlapping generation bull shite. We seem to have painted ourselves into a corner here, so we either fess up that we don't know what we are talking about, or come up with a fanciful new explanation.
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follow-up to the yearbook reference to writing committee gettin it right
by therevealer ini just love this one - for years (over 30) it was one thought (any that would have questioned would have been bad) but then as this article states "it became clear that it had nothing to do with".. .
*** w07 5/1 p. 30 questions from readers ***from the late 1800's until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of christ.
in 1931 the bible students took the bible-based name jehovah's witnesses, and in the november 15, 1933, issue of the watchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the "denarius" referred to in jesus' parable recorded at matthew 20:1-16. the 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. for many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with christ in 1930 and 1931 were "the last" called.
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Also note that it was simply an adjusted understanding. Not like it was an admission that they were totally "wrong" for many years.
