New light Pink Floyd, the light is always getting brighter. Back in the day one could disassociate oneself. It was done by writing a letter and I think usually it involved doctrine. But as the practice became more widespread, the gb (I can just see them at one of their wednesday meetings) came to the conclusion that it was allowing a circumvention of the disfellowshipping glee fest by more and more. So they came up with an overslapping (sorry) theory. All they did was to say that in effect the person had disfellowshipped themselves. Now it was okay to shun them. Same as apostates or apostate and who that included. Back in the day it did refer to the crazies. It was ones who had gone out from their midst and tried to either draw others along or foment trouble. But once again it became necessary to widen out, not in their service LOL, but in their venomous hatred. So over time it has come to mean anyone that even through rumour or gossip is accused of a "bad" attitude can and should be shunned.
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Is there really any difference between disfellowshipping and disassociation?
by iamwhoiam inyou would think being disfellowshipped is like being fired from a job and being dissassociated is like quitting a job...is this the correct understanding?.
as much as i have been searching for the answer to this question in the later articles, i can't really find a concrete answer.
but being an ms and raised in "the truth", i was always brought up to feel like if someone disassociates themself, they are automatically labeled an apostate.
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What defines a "pedophile" in the organization
by N.drew inaccused?
found quilty?
(and by whom), suspected?
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OR the authorities find this JW guilty in a court of law - Would they always or necesarrily accept the ruling of the worldly courts, and overrule their own theocratic law so to speak?
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Victoria, Australia: Here is what JWs didn't do--fill out the "Working With Children" Application Form
by AndersonsInfo inhere is a link to a .pdf version of the working with children (wwc) application form that steven unthank has put on his website.
very important reading material to understand the wwc act and to see the questions asked to those who wanted to comply (or not to comply) with the act.
the download link is: http://workingwithchildrencheck.wordpress.com/.
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it seems to say "a minister of religion". Don't they brag that each member is such. And don't you have to hand in a report to prove that you are "one of Jehovah's Witnesses".
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I believe this -- don't you?
by therevealer inthe watchtower ?
december 1, 2011 7. when severe calamities occur today, god's.
servants respond similarly.
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To lore and maybe some of the others comments - I was around to much actual happenings that garnered no more empathy than other groups when shit hit the fan from minor difficulties that some had to deal with on their own up to more severe problems that garnered little help from the rest of the witness community involved to believe this shiite anymore. And why does old grampa suddenly wake up. Up until this point he was no way gettin involved with these nutters who shunned him and the missus. But suddenly when he sees the witnesses coming to help on the very next day (sure they did, LOL) he wants a study. With all the other bull that they spew I guess I have no good reason to not believe this time.
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I believe this -- don't you?
by therevealer inthe watchtower ?
december 1, 2011 7. when severe calamities occur today, god's.
servants respond similarly.
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THE WATCHTOWER ? DECEMBER 1, 2011 7
When severe calamities occur today, God's
servants respond similarly. Jehovah'sWitnesses
arewell-known for helping fellow believers.
For example, when a strong earthquake struck
Chile on February 27, 2010, Jehovah'sWitnesses
quickly responded to help those affected.
Karla, whose homewas swept away by a
tsunami, related: "It was
comforting and encouraging
to see that the very
next day [fellowWitnesses]
arrived fromother
areas to help us.Without
a doubt, Jehovah comforted
us through the goodness
of those volunteers. I
felt loved and protected."
Her grandfather, who is
not a Witness, observed
the help being given. He
said: "This is completely
different fromwhat I have seen for years inmy
church." What he sawmoved himto ask Jehovah'sWitnesses
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Proof that the Governing Body is directed by God..
by The Quiet One in..is there any?
bear in mind what jesus himself said: john 15:24 new international version (niv) 24 if i had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin.
as it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my father..
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The only proof I have is their say so. Can you imagine believing Einstein was a brilliant man (or fill in your personage) simply based on his saying he was.
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by therevealer inbut this is just so revealing what lying _____ they are.. .
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/216446/1/elders-as-volunteers-shunning-instructions.
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but this is just so revealing what lying _____ they are.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/216446/1/Elders-as-volunteers-Shunning-instructions
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Elders as volunteers/ Shunning instructions
by Gladring inwas just checking the jw-media.org website and found this:.
http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article41.htm.
how we are organizedfollowing the model of first-century christianity, jehovahs witnesses have no clergy-laity division.
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what about this Aussie Oz - Those who formally say they do not want to be part of the organization anymore are also avoided. And notice how they change from "shun" to "avoid". Cultish all the way.
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Frederick Franz, "Bible Scholar"
by Quendi inas some of you know by now, i spent sunday, 7 august, renewing ties with a dear friend.
we're both disfellowshipped, the difference between us being he is seeking reinstatement and i am not.
we got into some very spirited discussions on different bible topics and one of them was the value of the new world translation itself.
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a serious reply/question for Wonderment - The scripture in John reads thusly 28 "Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of heaven : "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again." 29 So the crowd of people who stood by and heard it were saying that it had thundered ; others were saying, "An angel has spoken to Him." 30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes.
where in that scripture do you see that Jesus is said to glorify his fathers name? He asks his father to do so. I have often wondered if the "name" was so important, why did Jesus not make clear what his dad's name was. True he may have used "father" because of his relationship, but why was the "name" never made clear and highlighted. Surely if a personal name is paramount ( a mere "the creator" "the almighty god" etc.) not enough to set JHWH apart and thwart that evil Trinity doctrine (which doctrine has more nuances then any jw or jw apologist has a clue about) then, well maybe the NWT has a purpose after all.
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Explanation of the image in Daniel
by What Now? inhey everyone!.
we just had our convention this weekend and heard the "new light" regarding the feet of the image in daniel.
even the speaker made the comment that he had given that talk a number of times and didn't quite get it himself.
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It helps the confusion because they are confused. Because they are confused but feel the need to put something out there, this is what happens. I think the new armstrong group or some other says that also.