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  Demonstrate Trust In Jehovah By Trusting The Faithful Slave & The Elders

  by minimus in

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  the march 1,2003 wt.

  states: "trusting in jehovah means trusting those whom he trusts.

  for example, jehovah has arranged for 'the faithful and discreet slave' to care for the earthly kingdom interests.

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  kes152

  >>The March 1,2003 Wt. states: "Trusting in Jehovah means trusting those whom he trusts." The Spirit says, "Trust in Jehovah with all your heart, and do not lean upon your OWN understanding." Jesus said, "You put faith in God, put faith also in me." (John 14:1). Trusting in God means just that.. trusting in God. God said, "This is my Son, listen to him." If we trust God we will listen only to the Son (Matthew 17:5). >>For example, Jehovah has arranged for 'the faithful and discreet slave' to care for the earthly Kingdom interests.(Matthew 25:45-47) No, Jesus asked a question.. who REALLY is the faithful and discreet slave? >>We do not try to go it alone, and we do not ignore that appointment, for we trust Jehovah's arrangement. Jesus said, "Remain in union with me and I remain in union with you." All we need it Christ, the Comforter, and we are not alone (John 14:26). >>Further,elders serve in the local Christian congregation and, according to the apostle Paul, are appointed by holy spirit. Actually, they are 'appointed' by the Circuit Overseer.. everyone knows that. >>By cooperating with the elder arrangement in the congregation, we also show that we trust in Jehovah." God said, "Cursed is anyone who is putting their trust in earthling man." Jehovah didn't exclude the 'anointed' or the elders when He said this. If anyone puts their faith in the anointed or the elders is CURSED according to holy spirit (Jeremiah 17:5). >>The March 15, 2003 Wt. states:"Jehovah gives us sound counsel through his Word As stated in Hebrews 1:2, God in these last days has spoken to us by the mouth of a Son (the Word). >>and through his organization, using the publications provided by the faithful and discreet slave. He only speaks througfh a Son, not through anyone nor anything else. No man can come to the Father unless it is through the Son. The Father comes to no one except through his Son (John 14:6). >>How foolish to reject good advice and insist on our own way! Indeed, that is what they have done.. they keep insisting on the organization. We must be swift about hearing,when Jehovah, the One teaching men knowledge, counsels us through his channel of communication." Now if one is swift about 'hearing' they are obviously hearing voices.. yet they believe that "Jehovah" does not talk to us through a voice. The hypocrisy is evident. >>..................TRANSLATION, PLEASE?????? See above. May you have peace! Aaron
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  When coming to the Truth..

  by kes152 in

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  many have come in the basis of my name saying, 'i am anointed' and have misled many.

  all those who have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers, and the sheep have not listened to their voice.

  yet he keeps hearing that voice speaking to him.

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  kes152

  Many have come in the basis of my name saying, 'I am anointed' and have misled many. All those who have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers, and the sheep have not listened to their voice. I am the good shepherd, the good shepherd surrenders his soul in behalf of the sheep. The hired man, who is no shepherd and to whom the sheep do not belong, beholds the wolf coming and abandons the sheep. The wolf comes in and scatters the sheep.

  Many have desired to come to the Son of Man wanting to be of the anointing. The Christ, who is the Son of God, calls out to the sheep to come to him. Many of them were found, bound by the hired man in his 'earthly organization.' Many who left off from touching the unclean thing desired to know the truth and remain in him. He said, 'If you remain in my word you are really my disciples, and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free." Many have desired and wanted to have that close relationship with Christ and begged to hear his voice. They wanted to know him and have the truth about God. When such is revealed to them, and the Light reveals who he is, and who the religious leaders are not.. the sheep feel betrayed. Many begin to HATE their religion because they 'see' through holy spirit that their religious men misled them and continue to mislead many. Others have given up altogether and choose to hate all religion and ANYTHING spiritual which includes the Christ. They go off and pursue their flesh and whatever excites them because they know they don't have to "answer" to any religion on earth because they are all from the Adversary. They have, however, forgotten the Christ who called out to them and loved them. Still others come to Christ with a repentant heart asking for forgiveness for all the wicked things they did because of their religion, and forgiveness is granted to them. Many are happy with this and all they want is 'life' and everlasting life is given them from the Master. They then, "go their way in peace."

  Then there are two sons. One of them after being released from the hired man desires and asks to be of the anointed. He goes before the throne of undeserved kindness and asks the Father to send forth the Christ to him that he may 'know truth' and love the Son who surrendered his soul for him. The other son does the same thing. Both sons LOVE the Father and want to know the Son, the one whom the Father loves. So the Son is given to both of them. They both hear this voice talking inside them, declaring things of the Father and the Son that were hidden from long ago. Both sons rejoice in the truth and want to know more. Both sons ask for more spiritual things to be given them, and to grow in Christ. The Christ hears them both and answers them both accordingly. Both sons ask, "I want to receive more, and I also want to do more. Please let me have a place with you among your intimate ones." Evidently both sons want more than everlasting life, so the Son answers them, "Go sell the things belonging to you, and give them to the poor. Come follow me and be my disciple and you will have treasures in the heavens." They, like the sons of Israel, say in their hearts, "All that He has spoken we are willing to do, and be obedient." So the Christ concludes a new covenant with each of them, and writes more of his law upon their hearts. He gives them the promise of a heavenly kingdom and to be his people out of all nations to become to Him and his Father a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. They are going to be a chosen race, royal priests, a people chosen for his speacial possesion that they may declare abroad the excellencies if Him who called them out from his wonderful light. Both sons are happy and rejoice at the good things that the Christ has spoken to them and say once again, "All that He has spoken we are willing to do, and be obedient."

  So then, the training begins. He tells them, "Do not disregard my discipline, and do not give out when you are corrected by me. For all whom I have affection for I discipline, for my Father scourges everyone whom he receives as a son." The Christ, who is the Light of the world, comes to them and reveals to these sons who they really are. To one son He reveals to him that he has pride, that the reason he wants to be anointed is so that he can use his 'spiritual status' to amaze those whom he knows so they can look up to him and want to come to him for the truth. The Christ also reveals how many times this son thought he knew the truth when in fact he did not, but bore false witness against the Father and the Son for the sake of looking wrong. The Christ showed this son that he was not who he thought he was, that he was not 'holy' and not 'anointed' and that he misled himself into thinking he was something different what he was not. Upon hearing these things the son grew wrathful and hurt and did not like what he heard. He began doubting that this was the Christ speaking to him and did not want to hear anything further. The son walks away grieved in his heart not wanting to let go of the things he had for the sake of the Christ. He wants to be "right" and he wants to be told that he is anointed, and holy, and there is no defect found in him. So the son leaves and finds a false Christ who says such smooth words. This son is happy upon hearing these things and is misled into following a false Christ and is enslaved all over again.. seeking to 'feel spiritual' and better than everyone else. All who have shown themselves to be "this son" proved to be false prophets, false anointed who go forth misleading more people away from Christ just as their religious leaders have done.

  To the other son, the Christ speaks the same things that he spoke to the first son. This son, upon hearing these things became grieved at his heart and realized just how wicked he really is. He was tempted with anger for being wrong and tempted to believe that the voice speaking to him was not the Christ. But the son decided to ask further being loyal to his faith saying, "Lord, what must I do?" The Christ answers him and tells him even more things he must do in order to be holy as He is holy. The son does not want to do this, but because he really believes that this IS the Christ, the Holy One of God and that there is no where nor any one WHOM he can go away to.. he sticks to the Christ. He accepts the discipline and suffers at the hands of men for the sake of Christ. This son goes through a period of feeling dejection and grief. Yet he keeps hearing that voice speaking to him. The son talks with the voice and the voice continues to talk with him. The Christ asks him to do many things and the son tries to be obedient. The son hears and learns. Everytime he obeys men persecute him, everytime he disobeys his conscience persecutes him. This son finds himself constantly seeking to approach the throne asking for undeserved kindness for his weaknesses and begging for mercy. Each time he asks, the Son gives it to him and comforts him and cleanses him with His own blood that he shed. Through this the son learns obedience from the things he suffered, and how much love and compassion the Son has, and also how much love and compassion he does not have. When the son sees his own nakedness, he goes forth repentant of his sins and begging for forgiveness from the Christ. The Christ continues to forgive him, even when he sins seven times in one day. The son learns love and through that love he is learning to love others including his enemies. The Christ, loving this son so much for his loyalty and his obedience and more importantly... his HONESTY, gives him a great blessing. He shows this son many things and loves this son and confirms it with him thorugh holy spirit. This son is made holy just as the Father is holy and the son goes forth to his brother declaring abroad the excellencies of the Christ who called him out of the darkness into his wonderful light. All who have proved to be "this son" have become the true anointed.. hated indeed by the world and rejected by men, but chosen precious with God.

  Let him who has ears, hear what the holy spirit is saying...
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  GOOD NEWS

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  the gospel of salvation -- the good news of god!

  all scriptures below are from the "literal translation of the holy bible" (go here for information about this bible translation: http://www.kconline.com/paul/litv/litv.htm ).

  you can see clearly below that the watchtower society is not teaching the true gospel of christ:.

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  kes152

  You are very close.. dear one.

  The answer is in the scripture you quoted... Titus 3:4-6. We are not saved the 'instant' we put all our faith, hope and trust in Jesus. We are saved by the "washing of regeneration and renewing in Holy Spirit." Holy Spirit is the "living water" that bubbles up inside us to give everlasting life. Anyone who is thirsty may drink of this water, for such water our Father and his Son give freely (John 4:14; Revelation 21:6, 7).

  Once you drink that water, as long as that water remains in you, everlasting life dwells inside you. Even if you were to fall asleep in the flesh, you would not recognize it for your spirit will be FULL of life. You would not see Death like the rest of man who already died, but you would be kept alive forever (John 5:24; Revelation 6:10, 11).

  Peace to you,

  Aaron
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  Okay...just why is the "ransom" so gr...

  by logansrun in

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  reading the march 2003 okm brought up a question i've had for a long time....why do christians feel the the death of jesus was this unbelievably loving act by both god and christ?

  i mean, god knew his son would be faithful to death (because of prophecy...not much of a test on j.c.

  eh?

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  kes152

  Dearest Logansrun...

  Here is the truth of the ransom, and why it took place as told by holy spirit:

  In the beginning, when God began to create the heavens and the earth, the earth
  was without form, and void, and the darkness was upon the face of the abyss, and
  the spirit of God was moving upon the face of the waters. And God went on to
  say, "Let there be light" and there came to be light. And God saw in the light
  and the light was good. So God brought a division between the light and the
  darkness; the light God called him Day, but the darkness he called Night. And
  there came to be evening and then it was morning, one day (Genesis 1:1-5).
  
  All things came to be made through him and without him was not anything made
  that was made. And God saw all things that he had made and it was very good, and
  God rested on the seventh day from all he had done. But while God was resting,
  an enemy came during the night and sowed bad seed among the good seed; beginning
  with the anointed cherub that was covering. When God saw the cherub, he spoke to
  him saying, "You were in Eden, the garden of God, and every precious stone was
  your covering; the sardis, the topaz, the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, the
  jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, the carbuncle, and the gold was your settings
  and engravings. On the day you were created they were prepared. I placed you as
  an anointed cherub that was covering and protecting; on the holy mountain of God
  I set you and in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were without
  blame and error, until unrighteous was found in you. In the abundance of your
  possesions, you became filled with violence and you sinned. So I have casted you
  out from the mountain of God, you who are profaned and unclean. And the cherub
  that was also covering drove you out from the midst of the stones of fire. Your
  heart became haughty because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the
  sake of your splendor. I cast you to the earth and exposed you before many to
  set their eyes upon you. Because of the abundance of your unrighteousness and
  all your lawless deeds you profaned your holy sanctuary; so I will bring forth
  fire from the midst of you and it will certainly consume you. And I will turn
  you into ashes upon the earth in the eyes of all who saw you." (John 1:3;
  Genesis 1:31; 2:1, 2; Matthew 13:24-26; Ezekiel 28:13-18; Isaiah 14:12-19)
  
  The anointed cherub was filled with violence and loved the reward of doing bad
  more than the doing of good. He went forth gathering as much of the good seed,
  starting with Adam, and drawing them to the Night. He goes about searching for
  the seed, disgorging water like a river from his mouth to drown the seed in his
  spirit to gather them with him. He first offered Adam knowledge, knowledge of
  good and bad. If he would partake of the tree that would give him such
  knowledge, he would become like God, knowing good and bad. Adam, in his
  inexperience and his abundant desire to please himself reached out what was not
  his to have... yet, and partook of the tree. He was given knowledge of good,
  much knowledge of good. But also much knowledge of bad, such knowledge he was
  not ready for. Such knowledge of bad gave Adam knowledge of pain, suffering,
  unrighteousness, jealousy, anger, hate, and rebellion. The knowledge of bad was
  so great that it was even manifested in his flesh as sickness, pain and even
  Death. Because Adam was unable to handle the knowledge of bad, that knowledge
  consumed him. He and all the seed that were born through him had the knowledge
  of bad. As the seed spread, the badness of the sons of Adam became abundant in
  the earth, for the very inclination of their hearts was bad all the time. So
  when the seed bore fruit, the bad fruit was there also. The servants, the angels
  of the household of God, came to him and said, "Master, did you not sow good
  seed in the field, how then are there bad seed among us?" And God went on to
  say, "An Enemy did this." (2 Peter 2:15; Revelation 12:9, 15 Genesis 3:5, 7, 22;
  Galatians 5:19-21; Genesis 6:5; Matthew 13:27, 28)
  
  There is one, who sits on a pale horse. He is one who is called Death, and Hades
  is closely following him. This is he of whom our Father spoke saying, "O Death,
  where is your victory? O Sheol, where is your destruction? Woe to him who's
  greed is as wide as She'ol, and is like Death who is never satisfied." Death is
  never satisfied, he wants to consume everything. God put a hedge over all he
  created to protect it from Death, so that he could not consumne them. So at
  night, since Death could not consume the life, he sowed some of his spirit into
  the good seed; that any who accept such spirit will bear bad fruit belonging to
  Death. By their fruits, they are known. When they accept such spirit in
  themselves, they become sons of Death and belong to the darkness. Death would
  then claim them as his own and consume them alive. Death would then have his
  'victory.' (Revelation 6:8 Hosea 13:14; Habakkuk 2:5; Proverbs 27:20 Matthew
  7:19, 20; 1 Thessalonians 5:7, 8)
  
  When the servants saw all this, they said to him, "Do you want us to go out and
  gather them?" But God answered them saying, "No, for by gathering in the bad
  seed you might uproot the good seed with them. Let both grow together until the
  harvest; and I will tell the reapers, 'Gather the bad seed first and bind them
  in bundles to be burned, but gather the good seed into my house.' (Matthew
  13:29, 30)
  
  The light, who was with God, was beholding all these things. He was in the bosom
  of the Father, day after day being the Father's delight. The light who was
  called Day, loved the Father and was the very Son of the Father. The Son was one
  who was hating the bad way and wanting to know good. He attended himself before
  the Father listening to his voice and keeping all his words. The Son loved
  wisdom and the doing of good for others. He wanted to use all the knowledge and
  experience that he received from his Father and use it to help others and
  glorify his Father. The Father knew his Son and loved him. He saw that his Son
  had enough love and compassion in himself for others, that he desired to give
  all things into the hands of his Son. The Son had great compassion for the sons
  of Adam, for they all were dying. They were suffering pain, sickness and death.
  All of them had no life in them and they all were being gathered to the
  darkness, who is called Night. (John 1:18 Proverbs 4:3-9; 8:22-31; John 3:35)
  
  In the heavenly realm, there are oceans, abysses and fountains of the water of
  life everywhere. Such water bubbles up freely and flows everywhere in the
  heavens. It was the face of this water that the spirit of God moved upon the
  face of in the beginning, before the great separation. All who would drink of
  this water would live forever. When they drink the water, the water fills them
  with everlasting life such that they have life in themselves and have it in
  abundance. The Son knew that if only the sons of Adam could drink this water,
  they too would live forever. They would pass over from death to life and have
  everlasting life, immediately. If only they could drink this water, the water
  would become inside them a fountain of water bubbling up to impart everlasting
  life. (John 4:10, 14; John 7:37-39; John 5:24; John 10:10; Revelation 21:6)
  
  A voice was heard in heaven. It was from the midst of the throne and it said,
  "Who is worthy to open the heavens and let the rivers of the water of life flow
  that the sons of Adam may drink and live forever?" But no one in heaven, or upon
  the earth, nor under the earth had the authority to open the heavens and let the
  rivers of the water of life flow. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father,
  was willing and wanting to be able to give such water to the sons of Adam. He
  had great compassion and great love for the sons of Adam. The Son, however, did
  not have the authority in heaven to open the heavens and give them the living
  waters. The sons of Adam were dying, and Death and She'ol were gathering and
  holding many of them captive. The Son loved the sons of Adam so much that he was
  willing to surrender his soul to Death as a ransom in behalf of the sons of
  Adam. No one has greater love than this, that he should surrender his soul in
  behalf of others. (Proverbs 8:31; John 13:1; Matthew 20:28; John 15:13)
  
  The Father, seeing the good in his Son and the great love and compassion that he
  held in himself for others, allowed his Son to offer himself as a sacrifice to
  Death in behalf of many. The Father loved the world so much that he gave them
  his only begotten Son, so that anyone who believes in him will not be destroyed,
  but have everlasting life. Although he was a Son, he learned obedienced from the
  things he suffered. He did not know sin, but he was made to be sin that through
  him he may bring many to righteousness. He carried our sickeness and our
  illnesses were manifested in his flesh. He was stricked with afflictions and
  sicknesses and he was being pierced for our transgressions. He was slaughtered
  for our errors. The scourging that was meant for our peace was upon him. He was
  reviled and stricken and hated by many although he had done no wrong and there
  was no deception found in his mouth. He bore our sins in his own body and
  endured the temptations that our flesh craved. In the days of his flesh, he made
  petitions and supplications with strong outcries and tears to him who was able
  to save him from Death, because of our sins that dwelt in his flesh. Yet he was
  heard with favor because he feared the Father and desired to do the things that
  was pleasing to him. While he was on earth he offered to anyone who was seeking,
  anyone who was thirsting to come drink the water of life. He stood up among
  crowds and cried out, "If anyone is thirsty let him come to me, and he who
  believes in me let him drink, just as the scripture says about me, "Out from
  within him shall flow rivers of living water." As many as did receive him, he
  gave them this water to drink because they were putting faith in his name. He
  gave them authority to become sons of God because they were putting faith in
  him. These ones were not born of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of
  the will of man, but of God. He went forth releasing and forgiving the sins of
  many and bearing their sins in his own body. He gave life to their dead, gave
  sight to their blind, took the leprosy from their bodies and bore it in his own
  body, casted out those held by the spirits of the Adversary by faith in his
  name, fed their hungry, healed his enemies, and made himself a servant to all
  the sons of Adam. He came into the world, not to be ministered to, but to
  minister and surrender his soul as a ransom in behalf of many. Everyone who was
  asking from him he gave, and those who were taking his things away he did not
  ask them back. He did not resist him that was evil, but he let them strike him
  again because he would do no evil to anyone. Men took advantage of him, only
  wanting to be cured and fed, yet he took care of them. When they abandoned him
  he still loved them. He cared for the sheep although the Enemy was watching.
  When the hour arrived the Enemy cut him off from the land of the living. He was
  like a lamb being led to the slaughter, and like a sheep before the shearers he
  has become mute. He would not open his mouth. (John 3:16; Hebrews 5:8; 2
  Corinthians 5:21; Isaiah 53:3-12; 1 Peter 2:22-24; Hebrews 5:7; Psalms 51:1-19;
  John 4:10; John 7:37-39; John 1:12; Matthew 8:17; Luke 4:23; Matthew 20:28; Luke
  6:29, 30; John 6:26, 27; Luke 22:34, 32; Matthew 26:31; Isaiah 53:7)
  
  He loved the world although the world hated him. He was the light, but men have
  loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were wicked. Those
  who do bad things hate the light and do not come to the light, because the light
  will reprove them for the bad that is in them. But he that is honest and true
  comes to the light, that the bad may be exposed. By his loving the discipline
  received from the light, he will be trained by it and yield peaceable fruit,
  namely righteousness. The Son continued to love the world although the world
  hated him. He emptied himself of all his heavenly glory that he had before the
  world was and took the form of a servant and came to be in the likeness of men.
  When he found himself in the likeness of sinful flesh he humbled himself further
  and was obedient, even obedient to death upon the tree. (John 3:19-21; Hebrews
  12:10, 11; Romans 8:3; Philippians 2:7, 8)
  
  Death demanded a ransom for all the loyal ones that he was holding captive. The
  Father loved them and the world so much that he gave them his only begotten Son,
  that any who believe in him will have everlasting life. The Son suffered in the
  flesh bearing the sins of the world and being pierced because of our
  transgression. He, who did not know sin was made to be sin, that for our sake
  through him we become righteousness to God. The Son surrendered his soul to
  Death as a ransom, that Death may release the loyal ones to God. But Death is a
  liar and wanted to hold the loyal ones and the Son. Death is never satisfied. He
  and Had'es who closely follows him, wants to consume everything. So the Father
  loosened the pangs of Death from his Son because it was no longer possible that
  his Son should continue to be held fast by Death. He did not leave the soul of
  his Son in Had'es, nor did he allow him to see corruption. He was raised from
  the dead destined to die no more. He became dead but now he is living
  forevermore, and he has the keys of Death and of Had'es. When the Son ascended
  on high from Death, he carried away the captives and gave gifts to the men whom
  Death was holding. He gave them each a white robe and told them to rest a little
  while longer, until the full number of their fellow slaves and their brothers
  were filled, who were about to be killed as they had been. (2 Corinthians 5:21;
  John 8:44; Proverbs 27:20; Acts 2:24, 31; Acts 13:34; Revelation 1:17, 18;
  Ephesians 4:8-10; Psalms 68:18; Revelation 6:11)
  
  The Father loved the Son and gave all things into his hands. He gave him the
  keys of Death and of Had'es and made him Lord over both the living and the dead.
  He made him both Lord and Christ, the Son whom Israel killed. The Father gave
  him all authority in heaven and on the earth, even authority to sit on his
  throne. At the appointed time of the Father, the Son was granted to pour out the
  water of life upon the sons of Adam. The love for the sons of Adam was made
  manifest through the Son. He saved the sons of Adam, not because of anything
  they did in righteousness, but because of his own mercy and love he washed them
  in the cleansing bath of regeneration and renewing in holy spirit which he
  poured out richly upon them through his Son. He poured out his spirit upon every
  sort of flesh, and the sons prophesied, the young men saw visions and the older
  men dreamed dreams, even on men servants and maidservants he poured out his
  spirit and they all prophesied. They had life in them and by their faith, they
  kept living. The ones who received the free gift of holy spirit, the living
  water from heaven, went forth sharing this good news to anyone wishing, anyone
  asking, anyone seeking, anyone knocking. All who would drink of this water would
  pass over from death to life. Death would have no hold on them. Such water has
  been poured out freely and continues to be poured out upon anyone asking anyone
  wishing anyone seeking. The Spirit and the bride keep on saying, "Come, drink
  the water of life, holy spirit free!" The Father has said, "To anyone who is
  thirsty I will give free from the fountain of the water of life. Anyone who
  conquers will inherit all these things and I shall become his God and he will
  become my son." This is the good news of the kingdom, the water of life which is
  the free gift of God, which is made possible by the ransom that was given by
  Christ. In the end, when the Son hands over the kingdom to his God and Father
  after he brings to nothing all authority and all rule upon the earth, the last
  enemy Death will be brought to nothing. Then the Father will say to him, "O
  Death, where is your victory?" and to Had'es, "O Had'es, where is your sting?"
  And the Father will swallow up Death forever, and Death will be no more. Neither
  will mourning nor outcry nor pain be any more. The former things have passed
  away. (Romans 14:8, 9; Acts 2:36; Matthew 28:18; Revelation 2:21; John 5:23;
  Titus 3:4-7; Joel 2:28-32; Habakkuk 2:4; John 5:24; Acts 2:38; Revelation 22:17;
  Matthew 24:14; Revelation 21:6, 7; 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Hosea 13:14; Isaiah
  25:8; Revelation 21:4)
  
  Let anyone hearing come, let anyone thirsting come, and let anyone wishing come
  drink the water of life, free!
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  True Wisdom keeps calling out....

  by kes152 in

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  true wisdom keeps giving forth its voice saying, "how long will you inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience, and you ridiculers keep desiring outright ridicule, and will you stupid ones keep hating knowledge?.

  turn, please, at my reproof, and i will cause my spirit to bubble forth from you.

  i will make my words known to you.

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  kes152

  Hey!!

  How are you all.. I have missed you all very much! I am not too suprised at what the WTBTS has and is doing.. they will continue in their error until "all things are revealed." Until then,

  May you ALL have peace!

  Aaron
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  True Wisdom keeps calling out....

  by kes152 in

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  true wisdom keeps giving forth its voice saying, "how long will you inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience, and you ridiculers keep desiring outright ridicule, and will you stupid ones keep hating knowledge?.

  turn, please, at my reproof, and i will cause my spirit to bubble forth from you.

  i will make my words known to you.

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  kes152

  True wisdom keeps giving forth its voice saying, "How long will you inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience, and you ridiculers keep desiring outright ridicule, and will you stupid ones keep hating knowledge?

  Turn, please, at my reproof, and I will cause my SPIRIT to bubble forth from you. I will make my words known to you. For he that drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty at all, but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water bubbling up to impart everlasting life. I have called out, but you keep refusing, I have stretched out my hand but no one even cares to pay attention, and you keep neglecting all my counsel, and my reproof you have not accepted. I, for my part shall laugh at your own disaster, and I shall mock when what you dread comes. At that time you will keep calling me, but I shall not answer; you will keep searching for me, but you will not find me, For the REASON that you hated knowledge and the fear of Jah you did not choose. Because you did not consent to my counsel and you disrespected ALL my reproof, you will eat from the fruitage of your error. (Proverbs 1:20-31; John 4:14).

  The one who is speaking in Proverbs is not Solomon, but it is Christ.. the Son of the living God. The Son says to you:

  "My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments within you, and you keep paying attention to wisdom with your ear, and incline your heart to discernment.. you will truly understand the fear of Jah and you will find the very knowledge of God. For the Father himself gives out wisdom and out of his mouth come knowledge and discernment. For he gives generously to all without reproaching, and it is given to them." (Proverbs 2:1-9 ; James 1:5, 6)

  To anyone who hears the voice of the holy spirit talking.. this is what the Spirit is saying..

  "Today, if anyone of you hears his own voice, do not harden your hearts as at Meri'bah, as in the day of Massah in the wilderness. When your fathers put me to the test; despite that they have seen all that I did among them. For forty years I kept feeling a loathing toward that generation, and so I said 'They are a people that always go astray in their hearts, they have not come to know either me nor my ways.' Of whom I swore in my anger, 'They shall not enter into my rest.' "(Psalms 95:7-11)

  So if anyone begins to hear a voice, and it is the holy spirit... 'do not harden your hearts as at Meri'bah.'

  "See that you do not beg off from him who is speaking. For if they did not escape who begged off from him who was giving warning upon the earth, much more so we, if we turn away from him who speaks from the heavens." (Hebrews 12:25)

  He is the Son, listen to him... (Matthew 17:5)

  Peace to you,

  Aaron
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  The WBTS is NOT "God's Organisation"!

  by SpannerintheWorks in

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  does " god " make mistakes?

  does the wbts make mistakes?

  this is the wbts excuse:.

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  God does not have nor need an "organization." He has something greater than that.... and this is what we saw when He showed it to us:

  We approached a Mount Zion, and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and to tens of thousands of angels to-all assembly, and to the congregation of the firstborn who have been written off in the heavens, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous ones who have been made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a NEW covenant (different and greater than our former mediator Moses and the covenant through him) and to a blood of sprinkling, which blood actually speaks and talks of GREATER things than that of Abel.

  We are not the only ones who have seen and bear witness to the things we saw. Others have seen it and it is written for you in Hebrews 12:22-24.

  Peace to you,

  Aaron
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  When did Jesus become The Christ?

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  the watchtower society says that jesus became "the christ" at his baptism: .

  "holy spirit - the force behind the coming new order" book (1975), page 90: .

  "when did this jesus become actually 'christ the lord'?

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  Christ means 'Anointed.' The Father said to his Son, "Thy throne is the throne of God for ever and ever, And the scepter of thy kingdom is the scepter of uprightness, Thou hast loved righteousness and thou has hated wickedness; That is why God, thy God anointed thee with oil of exultation MORE than thy fellows." (Hebrews 1:8).

  Who are the 'fellows' who were also 'anointed with this oil?' They are David, Samuel, Moses, Aaron, Eli'jah, Eli'sha, all the prophets, etc. Even John the one who did baptizing was anointed and filled with holy spirit while in the womb (Luke 1:15). Now our Lord was begotten by holy spirit (Matthew 1:20). So if our Lord evidently received holy spirit before, during, and AFTER his days in the flesh, why couldn't be have been 'anointed' all that time? (John 17:5) He IS the Christ.

  Peace to you,

  Aaron
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  annointed?...gather together at the great day

  by elumn8 in

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  annointed?

  i'm kinda lost anyone wanna help me out.

  see i feel that 4 winds will soon change our world.

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  My dearest brother,

  May you have peace!

  The reason many religions today are focused on gathering the sheep from the goats is because they are from their father the Devil and they are wishing to do the desires of the Devil. The Adversary is searching and seeking out the sheep in order that he may attract them and imprision them. In the Revelation that was given to our brother John, he says, "And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and he went away to make war with the remaining ones of HER SEED, that keep the commandments of God and are bearing witness to Jesus." (Revelation 12:17)

  Our Lord said "I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no means walk in darkness, but he will posses the light of life." (John 8:12). The 'sons of light' (the anointed) are attracted to the Light (which is Christ). The Adversary knows this, and so he went and misled men who forsook the covenant of their God, telling them they can "separate the sheep from the goats" now and sent them out into the world to do so. These men did this by setting up "churches" and religions to attract those who are searching for Christ, those who have the heavenly invitation.

  "All religions are false lights set up by the Adversary, designed to attract, imprision, and destroy the true sons of light."

  These men who are out doing this 'separating work' are already "ruling as kings without us." They have already been 'given their kingdom' and are receiving their reward in full (Matthew 6:1, 2).

  We are not the 'key' that all religions are holding back from the people. The Christ is the key and all religions are holding HIM back from the people. Jesus said to the anointed to go preach the good news of the kingdom of the HEAVENS. Instead, religion has preached "Christianty" and not the Christ. The Christ is the good news of the kingdom and the free gift that we receive when we put faith in the good news is holy spirit (John 7:39). That free gift gives us a TOKEN of the heavenly things to come. But wicked men have risen up, and instead of preaching the Christ and offering the free gift, they preached a false Christ and offered a different free gift, church. Since they preached a false Christ, our Lord took away their authority to offer the free gift of holy spirit and "gave it to a nations producing its fruits." (Matthew 21:43)

  you asked: If Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were able to write about experiences they had when they were with Christ then why wouldn't it be possible for the remaining ones to write such scrolls and if so is there a scroll of Jesus? "

  Yes, the remaining ones have and do write such scrolls whenever the spirit gives it to them. He said "When that one arrives, the Spirit of the truth, that one will guide you into ALL the truth.." (John 16:13). We hear a voice "speak to us from the heavens" and we write down what He says (Hebrews 12:25; Revelation 1:19). Then if permitted, we give it to the House of Israel wherever they are.

  Peace to you, dear one

  Aaron
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  annointed?...gather together at the great day

  by elumn8 in

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  annointed?

  i'm kinda lost anyone wanna help me out.

  see i feel that 4 winds will soon change our world.

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  This is concerning "if everyone goes to heaven, who do they rule as kings over?"

  May you have peace!

  The God of our fathers came to our Father Abraham saying, I shall make a great nation out of you, and I shall bless you and make your name great; and prove yourself a blessing. And as for me, my covenant is with you and you will certainly become a father to a multitude of nations. And I will make you very, very fruitful and I will make you become nations and kings will come out of you. (Genesis 12:2, 3; 17:4-6)

  Abraham continued to dwell in a land not belonging to him, looking forward to the promise which God swore to him. He died in faith although he did not get the promise while he was in the flesh, but he saw it afar off and welcomed the promise. He did not look forward to the promise being given on this earth, because he was reaching out for a BETTER place, that is, a heavenly one. Hence God is not ashamed of him, to be called on as his God for he has made a city ready for him. (Hebrews 11:14-16).

  Our brother John also saw the promise given to Abraham afar off. Abraham was promised that nations and kings would come out of him. John says, And I saw and look! A GREAT multitude which no man could number, from every nation, and tribe, and people, and tongue standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. (Revelation 7:9). When our Lord arrived in the flesh, the good news of the kingdom of God was spoken first to the house of Israel. Some listened and followed him, others begged off and still others hated him and killed him (Matthew 22:4-6). When he left the earth to return to his Father, he told the twelve to stay in Jerusalem and continue to minister only to the house of Israel. He also said, However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing in a holy place were it should not, let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. (Matthew 24:15, 16). They remained in Jerusalem until they saw the disgusting thing. In the meantime, they spoke the word of God and the heavenly invitation for the house of Israel to inherit the kingdom in heaven. Paul, however, was sent to the nations to begin giving them the invitation for heavenly life. These were to be the great multitude. Paul said to the Jews, It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first. Since you are thrusting it away from you and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations. (Acts 13:46).

  Through time, even up to today, the great crowd from every nation and tribe and people and tongue as well as ones from the house of Israel have been added and written off in the heavens. When the day of our Lord arrives, He will descend from heaven with a mighty shout, and the voice of the arkangel Michael will be heard. And ALL those who died in Christ (whether of the 144,000 first fruits or of the great crowd) will rise first. Then we who are alive during his coming will be changed and together AT THE SAME TIME we will meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). When the great crowd are raised incorruptible and meet the Lord in the air, it is at THIS time that they have come out of the great tribulation and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. The great crowd and the 144,000 together make up Christs brothers. John says, And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and the authority to judge was given to them Happy and holy is ANYONE who shares in the first resurrection; for over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and rule as kings with him for the thousand years. (Revelation 19:4-6). Notice John says ANYONE who has part in the first resurrection. He did not say Happy are the 144,000 who take part in the first resurrection. After it was revealed to John that 144,000 will be sealed from the tribes of Israel (Revelation 7:4), John still opens up the invitation to anyone to take part in the first resurrection. The 144,000, the great crowd from every nation, and those who were seeking a better resurrection take part in this (Hebrews 11:35). After they are gathered to heaven and raised incorruptible, they return with our Lord and they judge with him for a thousand years (Revelation 20:6). He sits down and gathers all the remaining nations on earth before him. This is the judgement for a thousand years when He separates one from another, just as a shepherd separates a sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-33). He judges the sheep worthy of inheriting the kingdom prepared for them, but the goats He judges them to be gathered for the fire prepared for the Adversary and his angels (Matthew 25:34, 41). This separating and judging occurs for a thousand years. The great crowd with the 144,000 rule as kings for a thousand years. Their subjects in the kingdom are the sheep and the goats. The 144,000 and the great crowd are given this rulership for a thousand years. Then after a thousand years, they hand over the kingdom to Christ, who in turn hands over the kingdom to His God and Father (1 Corinthians 15:24).

  Aaron