Posts by kes152

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JEHOVAH, GOD OF LOVE...........

by JW72 in

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hi everyone, i was just wondering exactly what it is jehovah is supposed to have done that is 'loving'??.

howcome it is the 'preachers' that fear feeling bloodguilt when it is much easier for jehovah to do what they would do??.

the only thing that jehovah supposedly does to help, is reaveal stuff to the 'annointed ones', and let's face it, he doesn't do a good job of that, need i explain?!?!!.

kes152

Excuse me... but you all have been MISLED, by "false Christs, false ANOINTED and false prophets" who know neither the Lord NOR his Father.

you said:

"Howcome it is the 'preachers' that fear feeling bloodguilt when it is much easier for Jehovah to do what they would do??

Well that is because those "preachers" are not really of God. God well knows the heart of man and WHY they do what they do.. even if man REFUSES to admit it to himself. Servants God chooses are 'sent' because IN THEIR HEART, God sees they have true love for their neighbor or they are working very close to it. Providing them that "assignment" would be designed to "teach" them how to have God's love and not that of man's.

The true love of God is the kind of love one would have for their brother that if they "knew something" they would tell their brother and NOT CARE if their brother gets mad or offended. The reason is because that "brother" knows that although he may be offended now... somewhere down the line he may have a change of heart and LISTEN to the words that were spoken and perserve his own life. A TRUE brother would be more concerned about his brother's well being... even if it meant him "risking their friendship" to save him.

Such a being is God. and this is the reason why so many hated his TRUE prophets and his only begotten Son. Because they did not care about what "men" thought and how "men" treated them. All they saw was the 'love' that was in the message and if they repented, the glorious riches that awaited them. But, because many of them had become the "seed of the wicked one," they HATED their brother and sought to kill him. Just like how Abel LOVED his brother Cain, but Cain HATED Abel and slaughtered him.

The Son's personal delight was in the sons of men. When the Devil led Adam into "knowing BAD," Adam had brought the "knowledge of bad" to himself and all his offspring. Sickness, pain, suffering, Death, etc. was spread to all men. The son knew the ONLY way they could "live forever" was by getting the "sons of men" to drink the "life" that resided in heaven. Such "life" was "living water" which becomes inside anyone who drinks it "a fountain of water bubbling up to impart everlasting life."

The Son LOVED the "sons of men" so much that he WILLINGLY surrendered his life in their behalf. The Son was WILLING to "bear their reproach" and their sins in his own body. He willingly took the beatings and the punishments in behalf of US. He wasn't "commanded" to, he WANTED to. He wanted the Father to "grant it to him" to "bear our reproach" so we would not have to. He did all of this so that after he was resurrected, he would have the "authority" in heaven to "pour out" this everlasting life upon ANYONE wishing, anyone asking, anyone seeking.

In this way he "bought us with a price" so that we would solely become his. Since the Father agreed to "send" him, the Father laid the commandment on the best way it should be done... since the Son willingly offered himself.

After seeing the "assignment" he EMPTIED himself of all his glory and his position and rather than being a Son in the household, he took the form of a slave. Not just any slave, but a slave that is LOWER than the angels. Not only that, but a slave LOWER than man. For he came "not to be ministered to, but to MINISTER." And he remained obedient to his Father, even to the point of death. Why? Because no one has greater love than this, that he would surrender his soul in behalf of his friends.

It was not his "physical blood" and "physical body" that saves us. But it was his spirit, and the AUTHORITY he would be granted as a spirit IF he chose to suffer. He saw the reward for his "suffering" was too much of a benefit to "men" that he WILLINGLY gave his life, for the purpose of being able to GIVE life to "anyone asking."

All God wishes for you is to "see" the love he has shown and COME TO HIM, that you may partake and drink of this everlasting life, NOW. for life in the flesh and death in the flesh is nothing, for the spirit SURVIVES the flesh. But, life in the spirit and death IN THE SPIRIT is something, for that is everlasting life.... or everlasting death.

Things of the flesh are temporary, things in the spirit are everlasting, whether it be "death" or "life."

Peace to you all,
Aaron

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A "revelation" of the Son of God

by kes152 in

god, who long ago on many times and in many manners spoke to his people our forefathers by the mouth of his prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by the mouth of his son, whom he has made heir of all things and on account of whom he composed the ages.. he is the effulgence of his actual glory and the exact imprint of his very substance and he is sustaining all things by his word of power and through himself he made a purification of our sins and has sat down at the right hand of the majesty in lofty places.. he has become so much greater than all the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name much more excellent than theirs.. for to which angel has he ever said:.

"you are my son,.

indeed, angels are not 'sons' for if they were ..... then to which angel has he ever said "you are my son, this day i have begotten you?

kes152

God, who long ago on many times and in many manners spoke to his people our forefathers by the mouth of his prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by the mouth of his Son, whom he has made heir of ALL things and on account of whom he composed the ages.

He is the effulgence of his actual glory and the exact imprint of his very SUBSTANCE and he is sustaining all things by his word of power and through himself he made a purification of our sins and has sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places.

He has become so much greater than all the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name much more excellent than theirs.

For to which angel has he ever said:

"You are my son,

This day I have begotten you?"

And again:

"I shall be a father to you,

And you will be a son to me?"

But when he again sends his firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says:

"And let all the angels of God worship him."

Of the angels he says:

"He makes his angels spirits,

and his ministering servants a flame of fire."

But of the Son he says:

"Your throne, O God, is for the age of the ages. And the sceptor of rectitude is the sceptor of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God anointed you with oil of exultation more than all your partners."

And:

"You, in the beginning, O Lord, did form the earth and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will destroy themselves but you will remain. And like a garment they will grow old and as a cloak you will fold them and they will be changed. But you are the same and the years of you will not run out."

But to which one of the angels has he EVER said:

"Sit at my right hand,

Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet?"

Aren't ALL the angels servants sent forth to MINISTER to those who are about to inherit salvation? (Just as our Lord has done)

Indeed, angels are not 'sons' for if they were ..... then to which angel has he ever said "You are my son, this day I have begotten you?" Angels are "workers" in the household, the heir is the Son, the only begotten one of God.

Peace to you all,
Aaron

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On "The New System"

by Bendrr in

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friends

"you can live forever in a paradise on earth".

in my years as a witness and even after, i've thought about "the new system" and everything i was taught.. during the thousand years, there would be millions coming back from the dead.

during that time we'd all learn one single language and reach perfect physical health.

kes152

Hello Bendrr,

Well, Jesus Christ never promised "everlasting life" in the flesh as physical beings. He promised everlasting life and those who were with him KNEW

"It is the spirit that is life. The flesh is of NO USE at all, these sayings of mine are spirit and are life."

John 6:63

If you look in Revelation 7:9, 15 you will see the great multitude worshiping God IN his TEMPLE. Now where is his temple?

Revelation 11:19
Revelation 14:17

As you can see its NOT "on earth."

We were told to store up treasures for OURSELVES ... on the earthly paradise? nope

Matthew 6:20

Why? Because dust and moth CANNOT consume it, and thieves don't "break in and steal."

Peace to you,
Aaron

A revelation of the Son of God

by kes152 in

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friends

god, who long ago on many times and in many manners spoke to his people our forefathers by the mouth of his prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by the mouth of his son, whom he has made heir of all things and on account of whom he composed the ages.. he is the effulgence of his actual glory and the exact imprint of his very substance and he is sustaining all things by his word of power and through himself he made a purification of our sins and has sat down at the right hand of the majesty in lofty places.. he has become so much greater than all the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name much more excellent than theirs.. for to which angel has he ever said:.

"you are my son,.

indeed, angels are not 'sons' for if they were ..... then to which angel has he ever said "you are my son, this day i have begotten you?

kes152

God, who long ago on many times and in many manners spoke to his people our forefathers by the mouth of his prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by the mouth of his Son, whom he has made heir of ALL things and on account of whom he composed the ages.

He is the effulgence of his actual glory and the exact imprint of his very SUBSTANCE and he is sustaining all things by his word of power and through himself he made a purification of our sins and has sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places.

He has become so much greater than all the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name much more excellent than theirs.

For to which angel has he ever said:

"You are my son,

This day I have begotten you?"

And again:

"I shall be a father to you,

And you will be a son to me?"

But when he again sends his firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says:

"And let all the angels of God worship him."

Of the angels he says:

"He makes his angels spirits,

and his ministering servants a flame of fire."

But of the Son he says:

"Your throne, O God, is for the age of the ages. And the sceptor of rectitude is the sceptor of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God anointed you with oil of exultation more than all your partners."

And:

"You, in the beginning, O Lord, did form the earth and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will destroy themselves but you will remain. And like a garment they will grow old and as a cloak you will fold them and they will be changed. But you are the same and the years of you will not run out."

But to which one of the angels has he EVER said:

"Sit at my right hand,

Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet?"

Aren't ALL the angels servants sent forth to MINISTER to those who are about to inherit salvation? (Just as our Lord has done)

Indeed, angels are not 'sons' for if they were ..... then to which angel has he ever said "You are my son, this day I have begotten you?" Angels are "workers" in the household, the heir is the Son, the only begotten one of God.

Peace to you all,
Aaron

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elders visit need advice from ex elders, any

by jurs in

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friends

hi eveyone,.

i just got back from vacation.

i missed reading everyones postings.. i just received a call from an elder in my congregation.

kes152

Hey,

Don't concentrate at all on "failed prophecies" and in fact, don't bring it up. You will only stop them from listening.

Tell them, instead about who the Christ really is, and who the Father really is. And that they don't dwell in temples/organizations but rather in our bodies, in spirit. And that he is still searching for suchlike ones to dwell in.

And if they want to, they can go to the Son and never get hungry at all, and never get thirsty at all. Because the Son will teach them all things and will never reject them.

John 6:35
John 6:50-58
John 4:10, 14

May you have peace,
Aaron

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Why does the WTBTS survive?

by Skimmer in

back in late 1973 when i got my fatal doubts about the wtbts, i was sure that the society would crumble soon after 1975 when yet another prediction failed.

i was not alone with this thought; a british author by the name of stevenson (an exjw that had written an expose) allocated an entire chapter in his book about the likelihood that there would be a very major falling away in 1976 or soon thereafter.. but it didn't happen.

yes, there were several years of consecutive worldwide declines.

kes152

The reason the WTBTS survives is because it was PROPHESIED that it would survive. Where?

Revelation 19:19, 20

"And I saw the wild beast (WTBTS) and the kings of the earth (religious rulers massed together as one) and their army gathered together to wage war with the One seated on the horse and with his army."

And the wild beast (WTBTS) was caught, along with it the FALSE PROPHET that performed in front of it signs with which he misled those who recieved the MARK of the wild beast and those who render worship to its image. While STILL ALIVE, they both were hurled into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur.

But the rest (political rulers, etc.) were killed off with the long sword ..."

Revelation 13:11-13

The 'wild beast' is said to be "earthly" a.k.a. "earthly organization," LOOKS like a Lamb.. "the Lamb of God" err.. the "Truth" but speaks as a dragon. And it has a 'mark' namely

"Do you realize that your baptism IDENTIFIES YOU ('marks' you) as one of Jehovah's witness and in association with his spirit directed organization?"

Just so you know....
Aaron

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

kes152

Hey tracysdad,

When the Israelites were being led out of captivity from the Egyptians, the "Angel of the Lord," or the pre-incarnate Christ, was with them as the "pillar of fire."

I also used to believe that Christ was previously an angel.. but actually that is not possible. This is what I heard the holy spirit keep saying:

"To which of the angels has my Father EVER said:

'You are my son,

This day I have begotten you?'

And again:

'I shall be a father to you

and you will be a son to me?' "

Yes.. WHICH one of the angels has He ever said that? To Michael? If he did say that to Michael, then Hebrews 1:5-12 was an ENTIRELY futile argument.

Michael is Christ's angel who has a voice like a trumpet and announces the arrival of the king Jesus Christ, just like kings of the earth have certain men who announce their arrival.

1 Thessalonians 4:15,16
Revelation 1:2, 10
Revelation 4:1

Notice The Lord's voice is that of "many waters."

Also, Michael the Archangel in Daniel is spoke of being the protector of the Nation of Israel.

Indeed he was, and Michael arrived WITH Christ to give Daniel understanding.

Daniel 8:16, 19 Gabriel sent to give Daniel understanding..

Daniel 9:21 Gabriel returns and Daniel RECOGNIZES him..

Daniel 10:5-7 Daniel sees another individual.. NOT Gabriel

Daniel 10:13, 21 This individual says Michael came to HELP him

Daniel 11:2 This individual says to Daniel the "truth."

If you read the entire chapter.. you will see this 'individual' is not spoken of as an angel, but rather a "priest."

Comparing the description of Daniel 10:5-7 with Revelation 1:13-15 you will see that this individual IS the Lord. And in Daniel 10:21 Michael was sent to help the Lord against the other "princes." Why would the Son of God recieve "help?" The same reason he recieved help while on the earth. He is a King and should not be left to "fend for himself."

Matthew 4:11
Luke 22:43
Matthew 26:53
John 16:32

Angels are "workers" in the household... "ministering servants." Jesus is the Son in the household. That is why it was such a great thing that Jesus "emptied HIMSELF" and took the form of a "slave" and was obedient even to death. Angels are the "workers" and they are the ones who "should" have done it. But the Son WANTED to do it even though he was the Son and NOT a "worker."

So yes, Michael is angel of the Lord, the angel of Jesus Christ.

Peace to you,
Aaron

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In case this gets lost...

by kes152 in

"a man had two sons.. he went up to the first son and asked him, "son, go please and bring in my sheep from the pasture.

for it is getting dark and it would be dangerous to leave them out at night.".

so the son goes out and brings in the flock, because his heart was on obeying his father and he wanted to care about the same things his father cared about.

kes152

Larsguy,

my dear, YOU together with the "majority of the world" don't read. In addition to you "mis quoting" scriptures, you ALSO don't know the meaning of "words." Now if you were from a foreign country not accustom to English... THEN I would understand. But if such is NOT the case with you... you need to START reading.

What am I talking about?

your statement saying:

"That was a nice NON-BIBLICAL story of JUDGEMENT in your eyes for all here for not listening to some spirit speaking to you."

(emphasis mine)

Tell me... do you even know what the word "judgement" means?

Judgement - the forming of an opinion based on available evidence SO AS TO PASS A SENTENCE.

You said I made a "judgement" FOR ALL HERE for NOT listening to some spirit. Tell me, what WAS this "judgement?" What "decision" did I pass upon people for the "crime" of not listening to some spirit?

As you look you will find none. For I made NO sentence whatsoever, only advice. I did not state what will happen to them as a consequence for not listening to "some spirit," nor did I state a sentence for not listening to the advice. Thus, NO judgement was made.

But, may I say .... "Stop looking at the straw in your brother's eye when LOOK! you have a RAFTER in your OWN eye."

Want to see this rafter? Of COURSE you do.... and its VERY easy to see.

you said to AGuest and I:

"And don't forget now, at one point all the apostates will be lined up at the door to get in, saying: "You preached in our broadways... (i.e. you posted on the JW message boards)" and "you ate in front of us"...(i.e. you did your research in front of us)..". And I will reject them. Then they will say, "But, I did this in your name and I gave up that in your name..." Then I'll say: "Did you ever hear about the "70 weeks" prophecy? Yeah right! Get away from me you workers of lawlessness!"

You CLEARLY passed judgement twice! In case you didn't notice, I bolded your judgements. You SENTENCED a REJECTING of them... and for what? Because of their not "accepting" your teaching of the 70 weeks. If we don't accept YOUR interpretation (as you CLEARLY stated it was YOUR interpretation) then you sentense REJECTING and outcasting of us.

Did I say something like that would happen in my post above? Read it again.

May you have peace,
Aaron

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The "Coming" Anointed

by kes152 in

larsguy said:.

"if your messiah didn't appear in 1992, kes, then he ain't coming, or at least he's not the one promised in the bible.".

so tell me... where is that messiah that appeared in 1992?

kes152

IF you recall... the first part of your statement... 'all of them together went out the Messiah'... was something YOU didn't even know a little over a year ago. Do you recall a 'discussion' that you... and I... had... where you were 'enlightened' on this issue? Do you recall my Lord directing ME... to tell YOU... that ALL of the virgins went out to meet my Lord, and that ALL had 'oil', but on the 'discreet' ones had oil in their 'lamps' AS WELL as in their 'receptacles'? Do you recall this discussion, Joshua?

Answer the question.... Larsguy.

And in case you didn't now.... I DO have access to these posts that you made on the Hourglass2 Outpost
in which you OPENLY admitted this.

And do you also recall that I was permitted to tell you that the 'oil' is the 'oil of exultation', that which ANOINTS such 'virgins' and thus, is HOLY SPIRIT... which you could not, at that time grasp... and evidently still don't now?

Answer the question Larsguy... you failed to prove why the 'oil' cannot be holy spirit...

And so you recall how many times over the past almost two years that YOU... have said to ME... 'oh, okay, NOW I understand it; I hadn't looked at it that way; thank you for helping me to see that'? Do you recall those statements, Joshua?

I have access to this one too.... Larsguy

Answer the question..... do YOU remember??

If then, YOU are Shiloh... how is that I... a SLAVE in the household am used to teach YOU... the so-called 'MASTER'?

ummm.... 1 John 2:27

No wait.... you ARE the Master.... you know ALL THINGS

John 16:30

And what is this about "bloodguilt?"

You already gave your life... what further bloodguilt could you POSSIBLY be responsible of?

Aaron

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Why many do not hear the holy spirit...

by kes152 in

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friends

"a man had two sons.. he went up to the first son and asked him, "son, go please and bring in my sheep from the pasture.

for it is getting dark and it would be dangerous to leave them out at night.".

so the son goes out and brings in the flock, because his heart was on obeying his father and he wanted to care about the same things his father cared about.

kes152

Larc,

I do not consider it my "special calling" to save anyone for that is not why I am here nor is it why I am anywhere. I was given that "parable" to help explain to people why they don't hear the holy spirit. This has NOTHING to do with getting converts... just explain why many people don't "hear." If anyone wants to "hear" all they have to do is go inside their heart and get rid of the 'leaven' and all the other unclean things that reside there and then, they will "hear" also.

They don't need me at all. This is simply between the individual and God. Yes, I was a Witness at one time and I knew many of you would take what I "said" offensively, as did the younger son. But knowing you take offense at it now, who am I to say that maybe sometime down the line, you'll see that it wasn't offensive and actually "get the sense of it?"

If anyone does "get the sense of it" they will not need to look for me at all, they can simply start working to hear the holy spirit for themselves. And whatever that holy spirit tells them. it is THEIR decision whether they will obey it or not.

JT,

If I or any other person rejects your Belief System what will happen to me at death or the quality of my life be while alive?

I am not promoting any "belief system" I'm just sharing how you can personally hear the holy spirit for yourself. If you don't listen to what that spirit tells you, then the quality of your life will be whatever you make of it. As regards what will happen to you at death, your flesh will return to the dust and your spirit will "return to the true God who gave it."

1. some how lacking in thier life
2. We have the inside track to God you don't
3. If you don't accept my belief system my God will Kill you after all is said and done= or at least something bad will happen to you at the hands of my God

James, If you choose not to listen to the holy spirit, then you don't have to listen. You will know why you don't listen and why you don't hear and you will also "know what to do" if ever you decide you want to "hear."

It is not my place to say what will happen to you, just to let you know, "if you want to hear holy spirit," this is how. I do not know what will happen to "you" for God is full of compassion and mercy. And with him "all things are possible."

This is why I bid "peace" to everyone on this board.

As regards: proplog2 Cautious Mommie Dark;

I understand where you are coming from and take no offense to your comments. You have your choice and I totally respect that. Not wishing any ill will and I apologize if I offended you.

Still wishing "peace"
Aaron