Posts by kes152

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annointed?...gather together at the great day

by elumn8 in

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annointed?

i'm kinda lost anyone wanna help me out.

see i feel that 4 winds will soon change our world.

kes152

This is concerning "if everyone goes to heaven, who do they rule as kings over?"

May you have peace!

The God of our fathers came to our Father Abraham saying, I shall make a great nation out of you, and I shall bless you and make your name great; and prove yourself a blessing. And as for me, my covenant is with you and you will certainly become a father to a multitude of nations. And I will make you very, very fruitful and I will make you become nations and kings will come out of you. (Genesis 12:2, 3; 17:4-6)

Abraham continued to dwell in a land not belonging to him, looking forward to the promise which God swore to him. He died in faith although he did not get the promise while he was in the flesh, but he saw it afar off and welcomed the promise. He did not look forward to the promise being given on this earth, because he was reaching out for a BETTER place, that is, a heavenly one. Hence God is not ashamed of him, to be called on as his God for he has made a city ready for him. (Hebrews 11:14-16).

Our brother John also saw the promise given to Abraham afar off. Abraham was promised that nations and kings would come out of him. John says, And I saw and look! A GREAT multitude which no man could number, from every nation, and tribe, and people, and tongue standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. (Revelation 7:9). When our Lord arrived in the flesh, the good news of the kingdom of God was spoken first to the house of Israel. Some listened and followed him, others begged off and still others hated him and killed him (Matthew 22:4-6). When he left the earth to return to his Father, he told the twelve to stay in Jerusalem and continue to minister only to the house of Israel. He also said, However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing in a holy place were it should not, let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. (Matthew 24:15, 16). They remained in Jerusalem until they saw the disgusting thing. In the meantime, they spoke the word of God and the heavenly invitation for the house of Israel to inherit the kingdom in heaven. Paul, however, was sent to the nations to begin giving them the invitation for heavenly life. These were to be the great multitude. Paul said to the Jews, It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first. Since you are thrusting it away from you and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations. (Acts 13:46).

Through time, even up to today, the great crowd from every nation and tribe and people and tongue as well as ones from the house of Israel have been added and written off in the heavens. When the day of our Lord arrives, He will descend from heaven with a mighty shout, and the voice of the arkangel Michael will be heard. And ALL those who died in Christ (whether of the 144,000 first fruits or of the great crowd) will rise first. Then we who are alive during his coming will be changed and together AT THE SAME TIME we will meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). When the great crowd are raised incorruptible and meet the Lord in the air, it is at THIS time that they have come out of the great tribulation and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. The great crowd and the 144,000 together make up Christs brothers. John says, And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and the authority to judge was given to them Happy and holy is ANYONE who shares in the first resurrection; for over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and rule as kings with him for the thousand years. (Revelation 19:4-6). Notice John says ANYONE who has part in the first resurrection. He did not say Happy are the 144,000 who take part in the first resurrection. After it was revealed to John that 144,000 will be sealed from the tribes of Israel (Revelation 7:4), John still opens up the invitation to anyone to take part in the first resurrection. The 144,000, the great crowd from every nation, and those who were seeking a better resurrection take part in this (Hebrews 11:35). After they are gathered to heaven and raised incorruptible, they return with our Lord and they judge with him for a thousand years (Revelation 20:6). He sits down and gathers all the remaining nations on earth before him. This is the judgement for a thousand years when He separates one from another, just as a shepherd separates a sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-33). He judges the sheep worthy of inheriting the kingdom prepared for them, but the goats He judges them to be gathered for the fire prepared for the Adversary and his angels (Matthew 25:34, 41). This separating and judging occurs for a thousand years. The great crowd with the 144,000 rule as kings for a thousand years. Their subjects in the kingdom are the sheep and the goats. The 144,000 and the great crowd are given this rulership for a thousand years. Then after a thousand years, they hand over the kingdom to Christ, who in turn hands over the kingdom to His God and Father (1 Corinthians 15:24).

Aaron

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annointed?...gather together at the great day

by elumn8 in

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friends

annointed?

i'm kinda lost anyone wanna help me out.

see i feel that 4 winds will soon change our world.

kes152

To the House of Israel that are scattered about in the earth..

May you have peace!

All of us, dear one, are in the wilderness "for we do not have here a city that continues, but we are earnestly looking for the one to come." (Hebrews 13:14) There is a sacred secret, that the Spirit of my Father, Jah of Armies has given us through our Lord and Master, Jah-Eshua the Christ of God saying:

"Listen to me all of you who are seeking after righteousness, you who are seeking Jehovah. Look to the rock from which you were hewn out, and look to the hollow of the pit, from which YOU were dug out. Look to Abraham your father, and to Sarah that bore you, for he was one when I called him. And I blessed him and made him many." (Isaiah 51:1, 2).

You are seeking after righteousness, dear brother, and the Son of God knows this; for he has seen it in your heart. Hence the Father Jah is calling out to you. He is telling you by the mouth of His Son through the prophet Isaiah, "Look to the rock from which you came from." (Isaiah 51:1) You came from a rock, dear brother, and God is telling you to look at the rock. What is this rock? Here's some clues:

He was with you when you were enslaved in Egypt. He followed you out when your brothers turned on you. He was there when you cried out to him for salvation. He fed you when you were hungry. He gave you drink when you were thirsty. He baptized you in his blood when you asked him. The holy spirit says: "All ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the rock that followed them, and that rock was the Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:3, 4)

You in the beginning, came from Christ. You were hewn out from him and hidden in the earth. You are a part of the Chirst. That is why He refers to you and us as "the body of Christ." We are his body, hidden in the earth, seeking to return to him. You are of the 'seed of the woman' that was hidden in the earth until the appointed time arrived for our Father to call out to you and make you his son (Galatians 4:4-6).He has called out to you, anointing you with his spirit that guarantees in YOUR spirit that you belong to Christ (2 Corinthians 1:21). This is that voice that has said to you, "Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down and I will refresh you. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for my yoke is kind and my load is light." (Matthew 11:28-30).

We were told in the organization that if we were ever to leave... "where would we go?" The truth is, the twelve disciples had no WHERE to go either. There was only a "whom." Simon Peter said, "Lord, WHOM shall we go away to? You have the sayings of everlasting life and we have come to know and believe that you are the Son of God." (John 6:68). We also have no "where" to go, but only a "whom." We can only go to Christ, for "there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name given under heaven by which we can get saved." (Acts 4:12). There is no one else who can save us, there is nothing else that can save us.. not even an "earthly organization" in whom many have put there hope. However, anyone who puts there faith and trust in Him will by no means be disappointed (1 Peter 2:6, 7).

In the meantime, while you are in the wilderness as a temporary resident on this earth, continue to "seek the kingdom of the heavens and HIS righteousness first" and all these things will be added to you. For he whom our Father loves he disciplines, for he scourges everyone whom he receives as a son. He does this for YOUR benefit, that by being trained by his discipline you may yield peaceable fruit, namely righteousness. That you may partake of his own holiness and remain in his love.

Peace to you,

Aaron

Edited by - kes152 on 27 January 2003 22:43:10

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Is the Bible Really the inspired word of God?

by Shirlgirl in

i ask this question simply to see what others think....... when my daugther was 16, she came to me late one night after we had come from a meeting and asked me...."mom, what if the witnesses have it all wrong?

there are only 66 books that we use, what if we are worshipping the wrong idea?

" she then walked out of the room and went to bed...... god, did that open a can of worms.....because i actually started thinking on that.. however, i took it a step further....what if religion on whole had it all wrong....so i began to do research, and what i found was amazing to me..... 2timothy 3:16 began to 'ring' in my mind....."all scripture is inspired of god...." funny, didn't say just 66 books were inspired, but all scripture....then i began to break it down....what was scripture?

kes152

Dearest Shirlgirl,

May you have peace!

The saying is true.. all SCRIPTURE is inspired of God. All religion as a whole have the misunderstanding of that saying found in 2 Timothy 3:16. Religion as a whole has *assumed* that the Bible is all scripture and therefore the whole Bible is inspired of God. They also took it a step further and blasphemly call the bible.. "the word of God."

2 Timothy 3:16 is straightforward. It says that all SCRIPTURE is inspired of God. The Bible as a whole is a compilation of History (Joshua - Ruth), songs (Song of Solomon), Proverbial sayings (Proverbs chapter 10 - Ecclesiastes), letters (Romans - Jude), accounts according to certain people (Matthew - Luke and Acts) and scripture (writings of Moses, the Prophets, the Psalms [Proverbs chpts. 1-9 are part of the Psalms], and the revelation of Jesus Christ which includes the book of John).

The Christ when refering to 'scripture' always referred to the writings of Moses, the Psalms, and the Prophets (John 5:46, 47; Luke 16:31; Luke 24:44; John 1:45; Luke 24:27). These are the only writings he used to prove he was the Christ. Everything in the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms must be fulfilled in him.

Now, just because scripture is inspired of God (because they are the sayings of God written down verbatum) does not mean it is the 'word of God.' The "Bible" and the scriptures in the Bible never claimed the Bible or "scripture" as the word of God. Only One was called the Word of God (Revelation 19:13; John 1:1, 14). In truth, everywhere in the Bible that it says "the word," it can be re-entered as "the Christ" or "the Son" because He is the Word of God in every sense of the word. For scripture or the Bible or anything else to be called 'the word' is a blasphemy according to Revelation 19:13. It is very clear in heaven that the Word of God is Christ alone.

Peace to you,
Aaron

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Making peace with God...

by Pronger in

i was disfellowshipped in 1996 for "fornication".

this disfellowshipping literally crushed me as i felt i was fully repentant at the time.

i was the one who approached the elders to confess.

kes152

Dearest Pronger,

May YOU have peace!

Concerning Revelation 21:4, this is what our Father and his Son wishes you to know. May you continue to have ears and hear what the holy spirit is saying to you.

"And he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.

I am the Al'pha and the Ome'ga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life freely. And anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I will become his God and he will become my son. But as for the cowards, and those without faith, and the unclean, as those who shed innocent blood, etc. their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:4-8)

Pronger, you don't want to "crave" the day of Christ because that day is a day of darkness, a day of great sadness. Our Father does not desire the death of the wicked. He wants all to repent and come to know his Son. Unfortunately, not all want the 'truth,' they want what satisfies them despite whom it hurts. So our Father takes care of the 'seed' that are hidden in the earth because the love doing good and do their best to bring glory to our Father and his Son. Through them, the Son brings many people to righteousness and he cleanses them with his own blood. When the last 'seed' comes and receives the anointing from holy spirit, and there are no other people left who want to be among the anointed (for the invitation is that all may be anointed if they wish), then the door will be closed. The good news of the kingodom and of Christ will have been preached into all the earth for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come.

In the meantime, while we are waiting for the rest of our brothers to be gathered in by the Christ, you can ask for the free gift of holy spirit and bear fruit of love, joy, peace, longsuffering, goodness, kindness, faith, and minister to all whom you meet. Preach Christ as Lord and and share what you received. for you received free, give free. Stay close to the vine, and remain in his love, just as he obeyed the Father and remained in his love.

Aaron

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Prayer to Jesus Christ?

by UnDisfellowshipped in

did the apostles and disciples pray to jesus christ?

2nd corinthians 12:8: concerning this thing, i begged the lord three times that it might depart from me.. 2nd corinthians 12:9: he has said to me, "my grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.

" most gladly therefore i will rather glory in my weaknesses, that the power of christ may rest on me.. 2nd corinthians 12:10: therefore i take pleasure in weaknesses, in injuries, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses, for christ's sake.

kes152

Greetings loved ones,

Just so you are not mislead, Jesus came to his disciples and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to me." (Matthew 28:18).

Before our Lord was glorified by the Father, only the Father had "all authority" in heaven and on earth. Hence, only the Father had the authority to hear prayers, answer prayers, receive worship, receive the spirits of men when they died, etc. When our Father glorified the Son and gave ALL things into his hands including all authority in heaven, prayers, worship, the spirits of men, etc. all went to him (John 13:3). The Son was even granted to sit on the throne of the Father and receive all things that the Father received (Hebrews 1:8).

In the beginning, no prayers went to Christ because he did not have the authority to receive prayers. Now that He is King of those who rule as kings and Lord over those who rule as lords, He has the authority to be glorifed as such, both by men and by God.

Peace to you,

Aaron

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How could God possibly know everything?

by No_one_shall_know_my_name in

how could god possibly know everything.it is not possible for any living thing to know everything there is to know.

kes152

With men (like you) this is impossible.. but with God.. ALL things are possible.. God is he who knows all things.

May you have peace!

Aaron

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God "DOES NOT" ...know everything

by gumby in

many have argued here if god knows all.

some say no....or he would have to have known the outcome of his creation and he wouldn't have continued.

he chose not to know.

kes152

Dearest Rebel,

What are you wanting to know?

Aaron

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God "DOES NOT" ...know everything

by gumby in

many have argued here if god knows all.

some say no....or he would have to have known the outcome of his creation and he wouldn't have continued.

he chose not to know.

kes152

Dearest Gumby,

To the contrary of what "men" may tell you, our Father indeed knows everything. The very Spirit that proceeds from the Father in the name of his Son "teaches us all things, and brings back to our minds all the things he told us." (John 14:26) How can the Spirit of Truth that proceeds from the Father teach us all things if the Father himself does not know "all things?" Indeed, the Father knows all things both good and bad (Genesis 3:22). Our Father said to us through his Son by the mouth of Isaiah saying, "For I am God, and there is no other; I am Jah and there is no one like me, declaring the end of a matter even from the beginning, and from days long ago not yet done." (Isaiah 46:9, 10)

What you read in Genesis 19 when our Father sent his Son to "see" the things that were taking place is something he does even today. Whenever there is an outcry he sends for his Son, our "mercy seat" (Numbers 7:89) to 'behold' the things that are being done in all the city. If there can be any mercy at all, that can be given in behalf of the city. There was none, no one was searching for Jah, no one seeking after righteousness (Psalms 14:2, 3). The Father, knowing all things, already knew that there was not so much as one righteous man left in that city. So, he revealed the matter to Abraham and spoke as if he did not know the city to give Abraham the opportunity to give his opinion. The Father already knew there were no one seeking righteousness in the city, but for the sake of Abraham, he looked again knowing the outcome would be the same. He did this because Abraham was his friend, and he wanted Abraham to know the things he was doing and why (Genesis 18:17-19; Amos 3:7; John 15:15; James 2:23).

Peace to you,

Aaron

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How do you see God?

by JH in

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what kind of person do you think god is?

do you see god as your friend or are you in constant fear of being destroyed by him?

kes152

Dearest JH,

There was an occasion that the Son came to me and said to me, "Cleanse yourself before the Holy One of Israel." I was not entirely certain of what he meant when he said that, but I kept hearing that I was 'unclean' inside. So I went to him in prayer and asked him to "cleanse my hands and purify my heart." (James 4:8) Revealed my 'sin' to me and I repented of those sins and did my best to do what was good in his eyes (although contrary to the WTBTS).

Not many days later the Son came to me again and said, "Prostrate yourself before the Holy One of Israel.." I heard the voice and did as it told me. When I looked up, I saw a 'man' who was dressed in white robes standing before someone sitting on a throne. When I was there, I marveled. It was so awesome that in their realm, where they live, there is just so much 'truth' and so much love there. I felt unworthy just by being there. They are so forgiving and so patient and they know EVERYTHING even before you know it. They love everyone and they are always, always willing to forgive anyone for anything. They do not like it when people love to do bad things. They hate it because it is evil.

When I saw him, I saw the love that was in them and I marveled that they knew many people believed "there is no God" yet here he is sitting on his throne and keeping them alive. He knows of the day that is coming when ALL creation will behold him and all 'doubt' will be removed. He is nothing like the WTBTS and "Christianity" has portrayed him. All he wants is for us to love one another and do good to all our neighbors whether they hate us or love us.

They love 'truth' and when anyone comes in their midst, they should have nothing but the truth about themselves in their heart. Whether it is good or bad, as long as it is the truth and honest.. they love it. They are my friends and they talk to me as a man speaks to a man... plainly. They talk all the time and they know all things. Whenever I had a question, before I could get the question out, they already answered it. They saved me many times from imposters who claimed to be 'anointed' but where misleading many. Their love is not like our love, in fact our love is selfish compared to their love. For this reason I hold them in high esteem no matter how many call or accuse him "otherwise." They are my friends and all they want to do is give everlasting life to anyone asking, anyone seeking, anyone wishing, anyone knocking.

Peace to you,

Aaron

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Abraham's Children

by Blueblades in

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this morning on the radio,a rabbi talked about abraham's children.

he said the jews and arabs are abraham's children.i didn't understand what he was getting at.history has shown that they are common enemies.this hatred has gone on ever since ishmael and issac had two different mothers.hagar and sarah.both men would father great nations that would be in rivalry throughout history.that is of course if you believe the bible history vs.secular history.my thought is that there has always been races of people and nationalities that have always been common enemies,throughout the world and its history.

why would it be any different between the jews and the arabs.i understand the rabbi's concern for peace between the two peoples.

kes152

I am not certain of what he was getting at either, but what is to be taken note of is, the son of the free woman is persecuted by the son of the slave woman (Ish'ma'el).

All who are of the seed, are heirs to a promise. Those who are of Ishmael, are heirs to the flesh and all the things of the flesh. Sadly, not all of those who are from the direct line of Isaac remained in the promise. The promise was made to those in union with the spirit. Ishmael chose the things of the flesh over the things of the spirit. Isaac chose the things of the spirit and thus remained an heir to the promise.

All who are in union with the flesh have and will constantly persecute those who are heirs to the promise. Much of the Jews chose the things of the flesh, including its hatred, and thus chose not to be heirs with reference to the promise. The heirs to the promise were noted by this: they loved their enemy no matter how much their enemy persecutes and slaps them.

The Jews as well as all of Israel were told to love those hating them. But, due to the adundance of their desire to please their flesh, they chose to hate their enemies just like the nations around them. They began to choose hate against the Arabs and the Arabs remained in their hatred against them. Thus, the two became no different than all the nations in the earth who also have race vs. race hatred.

Those who remain sons of the promise are still hated even to this day, but they themselves do not hate those hating them. They are still doing good to those hating them and praying and blessing them. They are viewed by the world as weak, and stupid for taking care of someone who hates them. Yet, these ones are knowing who they are, knowing who the world is (their brothers), and knowing who their God is. They are a special possession, chosen and precious. Rejected of men, but precious with God.

The lesson from Isaac and Ishmael was a beginning of what is to come to those who choose the promise and those who choose the flesh.

Peace to you,

Aaron