Posts by pbrow

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1st Cen. Christianity - One Organization

by StandFirm in

here is the promised debate.

the subject is whether or not god has an organization.

i'll start things simply:.

pbrow

You have started things simply but have not stated your side of the debate. I wonder what the definition of the term "generation" was to the apostles in the first century? I wonder also if some were declaring 1874 as the date of christs return vs 1914. Which one would have been "false doctrine" back then?

I would say christ came to establish a personal relationship with each and every person that he made his covenant with. Each person who accepts that covenant is part of that "organization" if thats the term we are using in this thread. All these individuals are united/organized by love of christ and by his sacrifice for us. In what each of us think, say and do in our everyday lives we bear witness to our lord. If thats talking to people at their homes or place of work or simply by our actions with people we come into contact with every day we can teach who christ was and what he was about.

I hate the secular man made incorporated "organization" of "Jehovahs Witnesses". There are some fine people inside the secular organization of Jehovahs Witnesses that I beleive are indeed united in christ, but its not because they are "Jehovahs Witnesses" It is because they are united by christ sacrifice for us. Same as catholics and lutherens or baptists.

I still say troll, but that doesnt have to be a bad thing at the end of the day.

pbrow

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JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

by StandFirm in

this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

pbrow

undercover +1

Standfirm you should associate with whomever your bible trained conscience allows you to. Do not allow your conscience to be bound by anyone but christ. But you are blowing smoke pretending that your membership as a Jehovah's Witness is not in jeapordy if you make it known to your elders that you are fully participating in these blogs/forums/websites and you will do so as you please.

pbrow

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Undercover apostates...

by Maze in

i've observed some forum users here that claim to be active witnesses (even claims to be ministerial servants or elders) while duplicitously supporting apostates online.

my contention is this; why attend meetings and/or participate in the preaching activity when the second you divulge your apostate thinking into the congregation, you'll be disfellowshipped?

while this action taken may seem to be harsh, the outworking of events wouldn't be much different in one of christendom's churches.

pbrow

From my own experiences...

My parent stays in because the jdub unity is through fear, not through love. I lost alot of friends simply by writing a 3 sentance letter to the kingdom hall saying I dont agree with some policies. Friendships of 30 years wiped out (not from my perspective) in a heartbeat.

My parent cried for days when they realized jdubs teach that Jesus is not the mediator for them. My parent chooses to stay in for the social aspect friends, sons and daughters mothers who will be cut off if questions are brought out in the open. I dont agree with keeping them hidden by I am not my parent. They have their reason and they are no better or worse than my reasons. When you realize that this organization is not gods channel(nor is any other earthly organization) you are allowed to question it only if you are ready to lose a large percentage of family and friends.

Whether you stay or go is up to each individual. I will say though that you have a much better chance of making changes from within.

pbrow

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JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

by StandFirm in

this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

pbrow

Maze, I know I dont think that just because you are a Jdub you are bad association. If you are bad association I will not associate with you. But the great thing is I get to choose who is bad association. The principal application of 1 corin 15:33 as applied by jdubs is that if you are not a jdub then you are bad association. That is not simply a loaded gun but a loaded shotgun with a wide spread.

I jest with the "what is the definition of "is" is" but I simply mean that when I read in the watchtower that one should not even say a greeting to an apostate or allow them into your home, I take that to mean the principle the gb has come up with is not to engage/talk/type or otherwise interact at all with apostates. If you or standfirm see it differently that is fine with me. Your governing body has come up with the principle. You are admonished/advised/adviced or whatever you want to call it to stay away from apostates. You are going against the self proclaimed gods channel on earth.

pbrow

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JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

by StandFirm in

this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

pbrow

It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

crystal clear

My gut is telling me that you are an uber troll. But after reading your last few posts I may change my tune. I get the same head spinning, bang my head on the wall feeling when I read your posts as I do when I have to discuss with my uber dub ex-wife's decision to allow our children to die rather than accept a medically neccessary blood component. (even though when a judge (controlled by satan's system of things) takes custody of them, she will then allow it for some reason)

uber dub +1

uber troll -1

pbrow

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JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?

by StandFirm in

this seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.

who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.

pbrow

Maze, you are correct and I think you will find many hear agree with you. What you need to do is get on the school and give a talk about how its simply advice and that its not a sin to communicate on anonymous internet forums. When the PO or other brothers try to get you down from the stage and ask to "talk" to you after the meeting, just keep repeating that line, "its simply advise. Its not a sin to communicate on anonymous internet forums.

I unfortunately cannot do any of those things anymore (w/out being arrested) because of my indepedent attitude in choosing a wife, choosing what days are important to my family and choosing to not beleive "the gentile times have ended, their kings have had their day"

pbrow

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Introducing Myself

by StandFirm in

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friends

hello to jwn!

this is standfirm.

i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

pbrow

I think ive got it. Over the last year I have read a few of standfirms posts on topix and his own blog. I even asked a question about his belief in the blood policy. After reading about the "its not blood because of the centrufigural force of the beaker filled with protoplasmic isotopes taken during the lunar month of ramadan taken from an antitypical byzantine prostitute" While I will always welcome another "sconnie" on the board, from my lurking here for a few months before actually contributing I think its pretty safe to say that standfirm is a troll. A troll that has his own website and has somehow figured out how to monitize his being a troll.

Standfirm, I know that none of these post will discourage you for a time. I again welcome you here, It will do alot of lurkers alot of good. I am actually happy that my children have a strong Jehovahs Witness presence in their lives in their mother. The absolute worst thing for a born in as far as Jehovahs Witnesses are concerned is having one strong Jehovahs Witness parent and having a critically thinking non Jehovahs Witness parent as well. Your post will have an enormous impact on the many lurkers here and it will not be in the way that you like.(if you werent a troll)

By the way.... for all the sconnies on the board.. Brauny and Fielder are going to the series this year!!

pbrow

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Introducing Myself

by StandFirm in

jw
friends

hello to jwn!

this is standfirm.

i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

pbrow

I think I can predict what standfirms post's are going to look like. 14 pages(sarcasm) of trying to define what the definition of "is" is.

Witnesses are good people for the most part, but they cannot have open debate (in person, not on the internet) on issues like the blood policy, wanting rock solid proof that this organization was chosen in 1919 therefore deserving complete obedience, the new view of this generation and many more issues because of the fear of organization punishment. Go ahead and "hone" your arguements. Your arguements will reinforce your faith with fellow witnesses while talking in the back of the hall after meetings. But argueing that allowing your daughter to receive a tranfusion of platelets in a "moment of weekness" and not being sorry for it will remove me from Jehovahs congregation and eternal life but a transfusion of a fraction of plasma is ok if my conscious allows it will not work in the real world with a real person.

Stop breaking up families. I have my problems with russell but agree when he said "we simply call ourselves christians and raise no fence to seperate from us any who beleive in the foundation stone of our building mentioned by Paul: That Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" and those whom this is not broad enough have no right to the name christian.

Your welcome here just the same as the rest but I imagine there will be a lot of straining the gnats and swallowing the camels.

pbrow

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This may be the week I blow my stack

by Sargeant Pepper in

i don't say much, but this could be the week!.

pbrow

When my grandfather died a couple years back I was shunned by noone! I walked into the hall expecting not to be shunned. It takes a pretty cold p.o.s. to shun someone when a relative dies. I am glad that I was not the only one to have the experience pepper. Hopefully the ones that did shun you were taught a lesson in christianity by the persons who did not shun you. I am sorry for your loss. Hopefullly it can serve as a reminder that the majority of the people are good but truly "captives of the concept"

pbrow

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How many here have been Df'd for celebrating holidays ?

by troubled mind in

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i was talking to an old friend last night that told me she was recently df'd for celebrating holidays .

she refused their efforts to meet with them so they just made the decision on their own !

she has been inactive almost a year and has refused to meet or talk at the door with any elder this whole time .

pbrow

I had two fine brothers come to my house because of my wreath. I think they were there to encourage me but if I recall it took them less than 30 seconds to show me on whose authority they had come. Wobble, I agree that if you are going to not answer doors, phone calls and basically have to hide then you might as well just be a dub. I gave them the scriptures about each man choosing his important days but they kept on with the pagan buzzwords. I told them that they cannot possibly judge what my motives and reasons for celebrating christmas are. It was one of the first real lessons for me that logic and reason will not work for those that do not want it to work. They had a second group of "brothers" come about a week later. One of them was a man I really looked up to as a kid and worked with for about three years and the new PO who i dont really know other than he is a black and white kind of a guy. We talked for about an hour, no "do you know whose authority we come in" kind of talks. Just talking about why I feel its ok to "celebrate a lie" and why thats no different that 1914/1919 being a lie.

They then "invited" me to the kingdom hall on a friday night so we could discuss the things and I politely declined several times. When they told me that a meeting would be held without me I told them I would give them my resignation letter an hour earlier because there is no way I will allow myself to be formally judged by any men. I didnt feel like I needed to hide it I just couldnt force myself to beleive that my lifelong friends would not listen to logic or reason. It was a tough lesson but nonetheless one my children will not have to learn.

pbrow