Sparrow... it sounds like your friend needed to learn how to move on..... but I guess we are talking about a person who does not have it in them to get out of a cult (hopefully she wakes up soon)
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30Big Time Hypocrite
by Iamallcool inmy dad told me this story long time ago.
there was an long time elder that is never married.
he got caught going to brothel one day after a brother followed him there.
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JwTalk confirms it's all bollocks
by konceptual99 inread this earlier on jwtalk in a thread about if the 100 years of the kingdom is part of the 1000 year reign.. actually this question goes back to how the brothers believed and saw things back in bro.
russell's day.
they thought 6000 years of human history and christ's second presence began in 1874, ( their chronology was 100 years off from that which we now accept - this was corrected in the 1940s ) believing such they thought the 1000 year reign began at that time.
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Hey cofty,
My mother is still in and is doing the exact same thing now. A family friend has all the old "studies" books from our old hall she would read them when she got the chance. Stunned is a good word.
When they read it for themselves it has an enourmous impact not only because of what those old books actually say but because of what we were all told they said. A perfect example is the "advertise, advertise speech" I told her to find the transcript from the entire speech and see if that talk means the same thing to her.
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Reasons for staying In?
by objectivetruth ini have spoken to %90 of mymfriends & family.. and i have found that there are 3 basic reasons why people stay.. .
1. god has always had an organization.
the organization has never been perfect, but he has always had one.. 2. i know a lot of things are wrong, bit where else can i go?
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backseatdevil...
"So from my view, the reasons for staying in would be lack of strength to leave, lack of education, social stability, or trying to "keep the peace" between family members (although if staying in is the only thing keeping the family at peace, it's prehaps best to just RUN AWAY and start a new family, lol)."
That is awesome!!
If your family or friends will disown you for not believing in 1914, or some other vapid "truth" than they are not really your friend or family.
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Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?
by baltar447 inon one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.
without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.
they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.
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I dont think you can blame cult like actions from a cult on a former member of the cult. The were already a full on cult and they proved themselves by doing everything they could to shut up one of their own high ranking members. The scientologists did the exact same thing with Mike Rinder. You cant blame Rinder for waking up and you cant blame Franz for waking up either.
Rays actions were simply Ray being true to himself. The cult simply acted like any cult would. Thats what cults do. If I can help one person see the organization for what it is I am a happy man. Ray has helped tens of thousands, maybe even a million.
I thank Ray for helping to open my eyes to this cult and showing me that personal freedom is infintely more important than tip toeing around an ideal so that I can keep a few "friends" or "family" members.
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Why was the Book of Enoch omitted from the Bible..
by jam inthe book of enoch taught women magic, the art of war.
and cosmetic..they felt this book was too far out in left field.. the show "bible secrets revealed".. ok, magic vs having a monster baby by a angel.. so happy they omitted that book, otherwise women would.
be leaders of the militaries.
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450 ft tall men would be incredibly easy to believe in!! Their femurs would be MASSIVE!! and probably relatively easy to find. Can you imagine a 100 foot femur bone!! They would have kicked the terrible lizards ass!! To bad the flood killed them all. Thanks alot... jehovah
Correct me if I am wrong but if the sun or earth ceased to rotate at any point in our history, regardless of whether or not the ancients had a "perspective" not only would the enemy be smited (?smittened, smitified, smitentated,crushified,beaten?) the "good guys" would also be pretty effed. If the initial "snap" of going from 1000/mph to 0 didn't kill you, I bet whatever you hit at the end of your tumble would do the trick.
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Short video based on the 30th anniversary of the May 15 WT
by Wasanelder Once injust threw this together.
nothing new but maybe someone will enjoy it.
i just dont have the professional programs to make anything too slick.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_-iq7cd_g.
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nicely done
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Raising kids - JW mother, agnostic father
by Zana inmy wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.
my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .
sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.
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zana
It sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it. I am of the opinion that you cant completely shield your kids from harm. I have said it to my wife and I think on this forum... My goal is to have strong, independent critical thinking young adults. That is the end goal. Some may not agree but add a little jehovah's witness in their life and they can be one of your strongest allies in accomplishing that end goal. It does not take long in the normal world for a kid to realize "something" is wrong. When I was growing up in the bubble, like many here, I didn't have the resource of a strong parent to help me figure out the "something" Help them decipher what that "something" is.
I am happy to hear things are going well!
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women should go back to the kitchen
by never a jw ini found on another thread a quote from awake 1967 aug 22,page 27-28. it's from an article where the wt proves that women should acquiesce to their husbands.
within the article i found something that suggests more intellectual dishonesty from the wt writers.. that it is in the best interests of both.
sexes for man to take the lead is also supported.
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I dont see what the big deal is.... Women can acquiesce to men.... Just use a safeword!!!!
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If your not baptized in the name of the father, son and holy spirit. was your baptism official
by goingthruthemotions inmatt 28:19 "go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit,.
i don't ever remember hearing at my baptism nor any other baptism of a jw.
the person giving the baptism talk or person doing the dunking saying that i/we are baptized in the name of the father, son and holy spirit.. so i have come to the conclusion that my/our baptism's are not official.
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I am not a believer, but while I was.... My baptism to me meant that I had dedicated my life and was being baptized in the name of the father, son and holy spirit. I distinctly remember walking into the pool and having that in mind. As a side note, I also remember thinking "I hope Amber L is watching me without my shirt on... ooh, there she is....YES!!" Your baptism is simply a display of the dedication that you have already made in your heart. If you feel that you truly were dedicating your life to god than you are good to go and no church/person or poster can tell you otherwise.
Oh, and Amber ended up married, beaten and then divorced....... but not by me.
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My apologies to everyone.
by DATA-DOG ini just wanted to openly apologize to anyone that i have ever offended on this website.
i have been thinking about this lately.
we all seem to go through the same various stages of learning ttatt, anger, sorrow, frustration, bible champion, agnostic, atheist, ect.
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You sir, are a overestimating, self righteous, lover of man who evidently can only reason the way man reasons. You probably dont even have enough faith to obey the elders just because it is unreasonable from a human standpoint! Are you tired?? Its because you are too busy running your mouth ahead of jehGBovah!! Your offensive posts have shocked my delicate sensibilities as a I am a true believer in the our lord and savior jesus allah christ! I only hope that you can find peace by proceeding to your nearest kingdom hall and confessing all your sins with the first carpet layer, phone repair man & coke salesman you come across ("Be honest" (hand dissappears under the desk, "how did her breasts feel in your hands?")
You are going to die at armagedon. I hope it hurts when A. Morris takes a hot dog and..... wait.... I mean I hope it hurts when the birds peck out your eye sockets. I will take great pleasure in reading your old playboys (especially the early 80's issues) on your shitter (by candle light) while living in your house and driving your car (until it runs out of gas)
Epic fail, worldly apology not accepted
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