i have spoken to %90 of mymfriends & family.. and i have found that there are 3 basic reasons why people stay.. .
1. god has always had an organization.
the organization has never been perfect, but he has always had one.. 2. i know a lot of things are wrong, bit where else can i go?
backseatdevil...
"So from my view, the reasons for staying in would be lack of strength to leave, lack of education, social stability, or trying to "keep the peace" between family members (although if staying in is the only thing keeping the family at peace, it's prehaps best to just RUN AWAY and start a new family, lol)."
That is awesome!!
If your family or friends will disown you for not believing in 1914, or some other vapid "truth" than they are not really your friend or family.
pbrow
on one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.
without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.
they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.
I dont think you can blame cult like actions from a cult on a former member of the cult. The were already a full on cult and they proved themselves by doing everything they could to shut up one of their own high ranking members. The scientologists did the exact same thing with Mike Rinder. You cant blame Rinder for waking up and you cant blame Franz for waking up either.
Rays actions were simply Ray being true to himself. The cult simply acted like any cult would. Thats what cults do. If I can help one person see the organization for what it is I am a happy man. Ray has helped tens of thousands, maybe even a million.
I thank Ray for helping to open my eyes to this cult and showing me that personal freedom is infintely more important than tip toeing around an ideal so that I can keep a few "friends" or "family" members.
pbrow
the book of enoch taught women magic, the art of war.
and cosmetic..they felt this book was too far out in left field.. the show "bible secrets revealed".. ok, magic vs having a monster baby by a angel.. so happy they omitted that book, otherwise women would.
be leaders of the militaries.
450 ft tall men would be incredibly easy to believe in!! Their femurs would be MASSIVE!! and probably relatively easy to find. Can you imagine a 100 foot femur bone!! They would have kicked the terrible lizards ass!! To bad the flood killed them all. Thanks alot... jehovah
Correct me if I am wrong but if the sun or earth ceased to rotate at any point in our history, regardless of whether or not the ancients had a "perspective" not only would the enemy be smited (?smittened, smitified, smitentated,crushified,beaten?) the "good guys" would also be pretty effed. If the initial "snap" of going from 1000/mph to 0 didn't kill you, I bet whatever you hit at the end of your tumble would do the trick.
pbrow
just threw this together.
nothing new but maybe someone will enjoy it.
i just dont have the professional programs to make anything too slick.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_-iq7cd_g.
nicely done
pbrow
my wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.
my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .
sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.
zana
It sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it. I am of the opinion that you cant completely shield your kids from harm. I have said it to my wife and I think on this forum... My goal is to have strong, independent critical thinking young adults. That is the end goal. Some may not agree but add a little jehovah's witness in their life and they can be one of your strongest allies in accomplishing that end goal. It does not take long in the normal world for a kid to realize "something" is wrong. When I was growing up in the bubble, like many here, I didn't have the resource of a strong parent to help me figure out the "something" Help them decipher what that "something" is.
I am happy to hear things are going well!
pbrow
i found on another thread a quote from awake 1967 aug 22,page 27-28. it's from an article where the wt proves that women should acquiesce to their husbands.
within the article i found something that suggests more intellectual dishonesty from the wt writers.. that it is in the best interests of both.
sexes for man to take the lead is also supported.
I dont see what the big deal is.... Women can acquiesce to men.... Just use a safeword!!!!
pbrow
matt 28:19 "go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit,.
i don't ever remember hearing at my baptism nor any other baptism of a jw.
the person giving the baptism talk or person doing the dunking saying that i/we are baptized in the name of the father, son and holy spirit.. so i have come to the conclusion that my/our baptism's are not official.
I am not a believer, but while I was.... My baptism to me meant that I had dedicated my life and was being baptized in the name of the father, son and holy spirit. I distinctly remember walking into the pool and having that in mind. As a side note, I also remember thinking "I hope Amber L is watching me without my shirt on... ooh, there she is....YES!!" Your baptism is simply a display of the dedication that you have already made in your heart. If you feel that you truly were dedicating your life to god than you are good to go and no church/person or poster can tell you otherwise.
Oh, and Amber ended up married, beaten and then divorced....... but not by me.
pbrow
i just wanted to openly apologize to anyone that i have ever offended on this website.
i have been thinking about this lately.
we all seem to go through the same various stages of learning ttatt, anger, sorrow, frustration, bible champion, agnostic, atheist, ect.
You sir, are a overestimating, self righteous, lover of man who evidently can only reason the way man reasons. You probably dont even have enough faith to obey the elders just because it is unreasonable from a human standpoint! Are you tired?? Its because you are too busy running your mouth ahead of jehGBovah!! Your offensive posts have shocked my delicate sensibilities as a I am a true believer in the our lord and savior jesus allah christ! I only hope that you can find peace by proceeding to your nearest kingdom hall and confessing all your sins with the first carpet layer, phone repair man & coke salesman you come across ("Be honest" (hand dissappears under the desk, "how did her breasts feel in your hands?")
You are going to die at armagedon. I hope it hurts when A. Morris takes a hot dog and..... wait.... I mean I hope it hurts when the birds peck out your eye sockets. I will take great pleasure in reading your old playboys (especially the early 80's issues) on your shitter (by candle light) while living in your house and driving your car (until it runs out of gas)
Epic fail, worldly apology not accepted
pbrow
my wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.
my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .
sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.
hey zana.... I am really happy to hear that you plan on getting your children involved! I have the "benefit" of having grown up in the church and know exactly what is going to be said to them, what the guilt trips are going to be like because I lived it. "Is your soccer game more important than jehovah?" "Do you think everyone at that party loves jehovah?" "Do you really want to move out of the house and have to pay for things like toilet paper and silverware?" You cant make that batshit crazy stuff up!! When I was 12 I didnt have an answer to those questions, now I can arm my children with life lessons and the thinking ability to realize those are fucking retarted questions!
I know first hand this stuff isnt easy. Life is not easy. I am not saying "follow my 12 step program" and all is well. Show your kids the world, immerse them in it and guess what? They may choose the JW lifestyle!!! It may happen. Its not likely but I am prepared for that. I cant worry about what they may or may not choose to do when they are adults. All I can do now is give them the tools that I think will make them successful adults, who happened to grow up having to go to the kingdom hall on a semi-regular basis. I am not leaving anything up to luck.
Village girl, I say this knowing you and I have a similar disdain and animosity for the the organization of jehovahs witnesses but save your end of the world JW = taliban references. The taliban CUTS PEOPLES HEADS OFF and FLIES PLANES INTO BUILDINGS and SUICIDE BOMBS SCHOOLS/CHURCHES/MARKETS !!!!! The blood issues is the only topic that can even remotely be brought into the arguement when compariing the taliban who CUTS PEOPLES HEADS OFF.
As for me and my family we choose to BREAK THE FUCKING BUBBLE!!! Do not fade if you have children!!
pbrow
my wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.
my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .
sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.
roberto,
My best friend growing up had a father who was a "fader" It hit me then and pissed me off when I came to the realization that he could have grown a pair and allowed my friend to participate in extra-curricular activities but didnt. If you are a fader and not trying to step on toes when you have kids you sentence these kids to a fxxxed up childhood. I dont care how much time the mother spends with the children. If you as a FATHER not only encourage but sign up your children for NORMAL extra-curricular activities/sports/dances it does not take long for the children themselves to see the jw way as being vastly inferior.
BREAK THE BUBBLE.... DO NOT FADE IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN. Your relationship depends on it!!!
pbrow
