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I ended up in the back room of the KH today

by Nobleheart in

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14 years ago

our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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clearpoison 14 years ago

Oh boy,

I can already see the headlines. "See what happens to those that start studying, aren't those reminders we get about education from slave class just on spot. See what happened to Nobleheart, pioneer and all...."

In the long run you must do the thing you feel is right. If going in steps with all related announcements (ending pioneering, marking speech, etc. etc.) is not your style, then there is not many options left, being involved in something DFable (quick confession/non repenting maybe) or announcing your disbelief in some recordable way. In whichever case there will be speech about you, without names mentioned, sooner or later.

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Are women more spiritual then men?

by jam in

14 years ago

before you women jump all over me, this is just a observation.. first of all at least in this country women out number men in religion,.

across the board,(jw,s,baptist, catholic etc.

) you walk in any church.

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clearpoison 14 years ago

Dear Murray,

As this is a lilliput country I rather not reveal it, for respect to my stillin family. But from my writing style you can calculate away all Anglo-American countries.

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Are women more spiritual then men?

by jam in

14 years ago

before you women jump all over me, this is just a observation.. first of all at least in this country women out number men in religion,.

across the board,(jw,s,baptist, catholic etc.

) you walk in any church.

14 years ago

clearpoison 14 years ago

Yes they are, funny enough this has been even confirmed in some countries legislation. For example in my lilliput country's legislation the mother's faith is designing what religious group the child is considered belonging to, before coming mature enough to decide thing on their own. Mother and father can ofcourse agree mutually about this, but before certain age mother can unilaterally decide the religious nomination for her child, without father's concent.

From JW organisation point of view in these days, my observation is, that women are in great majority. When they are married, they often act as the glue that keeps the man operational in organisation. This was the case for me also for decades, on my own I would have gone bad for years ago. My educated guess is that this applies to many other religious movements too.

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No Independent Thinking?

by FrankWTower in

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14 years ago

correct me if i'm wrong, but i think i just realized another wt contradiction.

i read a critical analysis of the origin of life and was life created brochures called "weighed and found wanting" (which is exellent by the way and recommend it, it's here somewhere).

as i read along on the brochures i finally noticed how the society makes constant appeals to your own common sense and intuition.

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clearpoison 14 years ago

You see, these piece of works were not designed to inner circle but as tools to convince outsiders. Proportionally how many times book studies move on based on reading through the printed word compared to generating debate/discussion around the theme of the day? Even though these books have been studied on book studies the concept have been based on the knowledge that more or less all people allready believe in stuff, making these questions rethorical and of academic worth only. On the other hand how many outsiders are aware that independent thinking and reasoning are, if not totally banned at least partially discouraged within organisation.

Whatever happened to concept of making the thruth your own?

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Yay! Finally 2 Jdubs at my door.

by cyberjesus in

14 years ago

so i was posting on the forum and 2 neatly dressed jws came.

they didnt know who i was so i opened the door.... .

they started with their regular fear inspiring statements that god will destroy the "world", so i asked if he was gonna destroy me..... and thats where the fun started.

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clearpoison 14 years ago

I wish you had nerve to go and pick up a chair and sit through this experience.

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"See! See? Just as like the bible says! earthquakes are increasing!"

by highdose in

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14 years ago

which is what a dub said to me today.

i would like to come back to him with evidence that they are not.

does anyone have any helpful links they could post to refute this?.

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clearpoison 14 years ago

Continuation to AnonJW notes

What seems to have happened couple of last years that high magnitude quakes are slightly more common than in general. But in overall the quaker figures are somewhat constant. higher magnitude will automatically mean more forces and energy in action, exponentially unfortunatelly.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/year/eqstats.php

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New Light. Is it new truth or simply new understanding on the underlying truth?

by garyneal in

14 years ago

i went to the assembly for half a day today.

does truth change?".

"the truth does not change," she said, "but our understanding of it changes.".

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clearpoison 14 years ago

As I understood it during my active years the reasoning was following

1. There is an absolute truth, at this time it is not completelly revealed to us, we could not handle it.

2. The existing light is the only one people need to follow, not trying to promote new thoughts and quicken the path of new light, because

3. The person's true nature and Godly behavior is only measured in how accurate this person will obey the existing light as presented by the slave class

So in essence it would not matter if our understanding or what we believe today looks like this and would be understood in totally opposite way tomorrow, as the only thing that really matters is following the current understanding presented by slave class. People following or referring to old understanding or people speculating new understanding (that very well might become the new light later) have kind of fallen from the correct path as they are not exactly following what current light is about.

The conclusion of all this is that what was believed (understood) at one point of time do not really matter or should bother us, as the real truth will not be revealed until in the very last possible point of time, maybe even after the big A with the new scripts.

Whatever

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No Part of The World Circuit Assembly Highlights

by DavinciCodeBreaker in

14 years ago

well this past weekend was pretty much as predicted, the demonstrations were probably the worst i have ever seen.

you know the ones i mentioned on a post last week where in the middle the participant has a sudden epiphany!

here is a sampling of just a few.. .

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clearpoison 14 years ago

I always felt compassionate shame during these demos, in most cases I just couldn't watch what was going on. My extreme sense for realism couldn't handle those. I am so weak.

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Need tunes to play when my JW window cleaner is next here...

by highdose in

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14 years ago

as you may remember, i have a jw window cleaner, one who likes to whistle kingdoom melodies while he works.

drives me crazy!

so i put music on while hes here and it stops him.

14 years ago

clearpoison 14 years ago

As the window cleaning is not taking ages for a specialist, I would hold my playlist short

Depeche Mode-Blasphemous Rumours

Bronski Beat-Smalltown Boy

Depeche Mode-Personal Jesus (in refrain lifting your arms towards the sky, like you would be begging)

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What do you think?

by therevealer in

14 years ago

silly stuff i have wondered in the past .

genesis 1:27 makes it sound like god created man separately and/or first.. then in 2:7 it sounds like he created adam first on his own.. in 2:18-22 it would seem to corroborate the adam first and eve second as a separate act.

plus in 2:18-22 it seems to infer in 2:18 that it was a separate notion on gods part that adam would be better off or happier with a helper or mate.

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clearpoison 14 years ago

If Eve would have been there prior naming all the animals and stuff, do you really think Adam would have had much saying. This was wisdom from God, otherwise we wouldn't have any names for animals and plants until this day.

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