Posts by irondork

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Locusts

by irondork in

the revelation...climax book describes jehovah's witnesses as being the locusts of rev.

9:2, 3. but i have never seen with my own eyes the description they give of being a torment to christendom.

a colossal pain in the butt to householders, but hardly a torment to other religions.

The Revelation...Climax book describes Jehovah's Witnesses as being the locusts of Rev. 9:2, 3. But I have never seen with my own eyes the description they give of being a torment to Christendom. A colossal pain in the butt to householders, but hardly a torment to other religions. What I have seen with my own eyes are the effects our collective efforts have had in exposing the WTS for a fraud. Given the knee-jerk reactions, hostile articles, name calling, assembly talks loaded with venom and fear coming from the Governing Body, aimed directly at the swarm of ex-JW locusts ripping them apart at every turn, they seem to fit their own description, penned by their own hand, of the torment caused by locusts!

They just got the players mixed up.

“And he opened the pit of the abyss, and smoke ascended out of the pit as the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun was darkened, also the air, by the smoke of the pit. And out of the smoke locusts came forth upon the earth; and authority was given them, the same authority as the scorpions of the earth have.” - Revelation 9:2, 3

Revelation...Climax:

At the Bible Students’ convention at Cedar Point, Ohio, U.S.A., September 1-8, 1919, a notable outpouring of Jehovah’s spirit activated his people to organize a global campaign of preaching. Of all professed Christians, they alone, recognizing that Jesus had been enthroned as heavenly King, spared no effort in publishing abroad that good news. Their relentless witnessing, in fulfillment of prophecy, became as a tormenting plague to apostate Christendom.

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That is how it proved to be in 1919. The situation darkened for Christendom and for the world in general. (Compare Joel 2:30, 31.) The release of those locusts, the John class, was actually a defeat for Christendom’s clergy, who had schemed and plotted to kill the Kingdom work for good and who now rejected God’s Kingdom. Evidence of a smokelike pall started to spread over apostate Christendom as that locust band was given divine authority and began to exercise it in proclaiming powerful judgment messages. Christendom’s “sun”—her appearance of enlightenment—suffered an eclipse, and “the air” became thick with declarations of divine judgment as “the ruler of the authority of the air” of this world was shown to be Christendom’s god.

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Moreover, the torment is so severe that men seek to die. True, we have no record that any of those who were stung by the locusts actually tried to kill themselves. But the expression helps us to picture the intensity of the torment—as though by the relentless assault of scorpions.

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Question about 2 Tim. 3:16

by beenthere2 in

regarding 2 tim.

3:16, "all scripture is inspired by god".....since the only scripture at the time this was written was the old testament (hebrew scriptures, if you prefer), would it make sense to reason that this scripture cannot be used by itself to support new testament writings?....that the scriptures referred to in this verse were the old testament?.

as an apostle paul had authority, but to me it seems that some of the things paul wrote were related as "commands" to the congregations, whereas other things were only his suggestions or his perspective and that it was up to the individuals to decide for themselves.. your thoughts on this?.

irondork

Not counting the prophesies recorded in the gospel accounts, wouldn't it stand that inspiration was involved in the other letters where prophesy exists, particularly Revelation?

Paul may have been referring to the old Hebrew writings when he said, "all scripture", but I don't think that necessarily demands the Greek sciptures are any less valid; inspired.

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Could the Governing Body be the "Evil Slave" of Matt. 24:48-51?

by matt2414 in

48 but if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, my master is delaying, 49 and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites.

there is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.

" mt 24:48-51 nwt.

irondork

I would like to add two of my own personal, original thoughts to this thread.

AwareBeing:

I know of no other "Christian" religion that claims to be the faithful steward,

as whole heartedly as the GB of the WT org.

matt2414:

would real Christians want to associate with these ones?

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Will non annointed be allowed on GB?

by hamsterbait in

jw
friends

notice in the "proclaimers " book that hayden covington resigned because "at that time it was understood that" non-annointed should not be part of the gb.. it's the "at that time" that sticks out to me.

in a witchtower study in the 90s (instead of kings and sulteans there will be sheiks) non-annointed would become assistants "given ones" to the annointed gb.. they have to know they cannot spin out the annointed only rule idefinitely, even though they are currently increasing exponentially.

eventually even the dumbest r&f has to realise there have been more than 144 000 involved with the borg since the 1870s.. do you think they will allow non annointed on the gb again somtime?

irondork

Not too long ago, maybe four years, I remember hearing a CO talk about the dwindling number of annointed and how it became necessary to groom non-annointed men to take over the reigns. I rememebr thinking then (as a good and devoted JW) that there were still 3000+ (can't remember the exact number) memorial partakers earthwide. Why not just fly a couple of 'em in?

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Magazines Offer for March

by Nebeska Nada in

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irondork

LOL @ wha happened!

C'mon. That Bible Teach book on the Awake mag has to be some photoshop work.

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I am looking for compression shorts with at least one front pocket.

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

i contacted all of the sporting good stores near my home to look for compression shorts with at least one front pocket so i can put my smartphone in it, so far no luck.

i even googled it too, so far no luck too.

any ideas?

irondork

Compression shorts with pockets? Not going to happen.

Compression shorts are designed to keep your junk from hitting you in the eye when jogging, or just a good support garment at the gym and they ARE NOT supposed to be worn by themselves. Put on some gym shorts (with pockets) over your nastiness. No one wants to see that on a public street.

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Doomsday preacher admits: I was wrong

by irondork in

how is it that members of babylon the great, the filthy harlot, know how to say, "i'm sorry.

i was wrong.

", but the spirit annointed sons of god, christ's brothers, the beacon of true christianity on earth today cannot even think in these terms?.

irondork

How is it that members of Babylon the Great, the filthy harlot, know how to say, "I'm sorry. I was wrong.", but the spirit annointed sons of God, Christ's brothers, the beacon of true Christianity on earth today cannot even think in these terms?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/09/us/california-doomsday-leader/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

(CNN) -- Many months after his doomsday prediction failed to materialize, a humbled California preacher has admitted his mistake and said he is out of the forecasting game.

The Day of Rapture, as predicted by apocalyptic Christian broadcaster Harold Camping, passed without calamity on May 21. Camping's second date, October 21, also came and went without so much as a whimper.

The world, it seems, is not doomed.

"We humbly acknowledge we were wrong," Camping and his staff members wrote in a letter to supporters posted on the website of Family Radio, Camping's California-based broadcast ministry.

He goes further, saying he and his network are no longer interested in predicting when the world will end.

Camping had originally said that those selected for salvation would be raptured up to heaven May 21, and those left behind would face months of judgment amid destruction before the world's end October 21.

The Family Radio website tweaked the prediction after May 21, saying God had shown mercy by sparing people five months of suffering. But final judgment was still slated to come October 21, when salvation and the world's destruction would happen at once.

"We must also openly acknowledge that we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world. Though many dates are circulating, Family Radio has no interest in even considering another date. God has humbled us through the events of May 21, to continue to even more fervently search the Scriptures (the Bible), not to find dates, but to be more faithful in our understanding," Camping wrote in the letter dated this month.

The preacher first inaccurately predicted the world would end in 1994. Despite his poor track record, he has gathered many followers. Some gave up their homes, jobs and life savings because they believed the world was ending.

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1947 Awake Says Excommunication is Unbiblical and Pagan!

by Ding in

january 8, 1947 awake!:.

excommunication is "altogether foreign to biblical teachings.".

it's an unbiblical roman catholic teaching by which "you are looked upon with the blackest contempt... being cursed and damned with the devil and his angels.".

irondork

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It was "evidence" of holy spirit that got me

by irondork in

when i got disfellowshipped at age 19 for alcohol and sex with, uhm... several others, i deserved it.

after that i took a nose dive into drugs and alcohol and the whole nightclub party scene in wash. d.c.. it didnt take long for my life to start falling apart.. .

eveidence that leaving jehovahs organization was the wrong thing to do.. .

irondork

sir82: Leaving the organization, to such persons, doesn't mean freedom. It means returning to that desperate, hopeless, unhappy life they left behind. That thought is emotionally devastating.

The WTS plays on these fears to cement its position of importance and authority in people's minds.

sir82: for a lot of them, being a JW worked, and is working. It got them off drugs and/or booze....it gave them a better family life...it gave them a purpose in life....it helped them see that it is possible to set goals and achieve them. For perhaps the first time ever, life "worked".

Like a parasite, the WTS lays claim to the nutrient of God's holy spirit for it's own personal gain.

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It was "evidence" of holy spirit that got me

by irondork in

when i got disfellowshipped at age 19 for alcohol and sex with, uhm... several others, i deserved it.

after that i took a nose dive into drugs and alcohol and the whole nightclub party scene in wash. d.c.. it didnt take long for my life to start falling apart.. .

eveidence that leaving jehovahs organization was the wrong thing to do.. .

irondork

When I got disfellowshipped at age 19 for alcohol and sex with, uhm… several others, I deserved it. After that I took a nose dive into drugs and alcohol and the whole nightclub party scene in Wash. D.C.. It didn’t take long for my life to start falling apart.

EVEIDENCE that leaving Jehovah’s organization was the wrong thing to do.

Starting in my late twenties I realized the chemical addiction situation I was in and began attending AA meetings. In and out of the rooms for almost ten years provided me no more than sporadic sobriety, the longest stretch being 4 months. When I finally found myself in a truly desperate situation at age 35, I decided to give Jehovah a try again and I only knew to find him at the Kingdom Hall.

It really felt like the tide had turned for me. I quit drinking immediately and have maintained uninterrupted sobriety to this day, 10 years later. In time I was able to put down the cigarettes, get reinstated, even signed up for the Theocratic Ministry School and began giving talks again. The job situation improved because I was actually able to hang on to one for more than just a few months. Likewise an improved financial situation followed. I did it! ME! A dried up old drugged out street whore from Wash. D.C.. Fancy that.

EVIDENCE that returning to Jehovah’s organization was the right thing to do.

Evidence of God’s holy spirit being active in your life is a powerful thing. I’m not suggesting God did it for me because I worked my good-for-nothing butt off. But it wasn’t until I returned to the Jehovah’s Witnesses that my life improved. That’s why it was such a mind bender when I began to suspect that Jehovah’s holy spirit was, in fact, NOT present at the Kingdom Hall.

There were so many really good, sincere people there. Evidence that holy spirit drew them. But there were also some really, really bad ones too, some of them elders.

An ugly undercurrent in the organization was evident.

It took me some months, and some heart wrenching reading of Ray Franz's books to realize the evidence upon which I was relying so heavily was actually pointing to the fact that I had turned my attention away from GOD as a child, and then back to GOD as an adult - despite the presence of an organization.

Any religious organization will capitalize on a situation like mine, as I have heard many similar stories from the platforms of Kingdom Halls and assemblies, and use them as evidence to promote their own holiness, God-approvedness, spiritual superiority, proof that their governing body really is anointed by God.

Breaking away from that old body of evidence I had built up in my own mind, evidence reinforced by an opportunistic religious cult… that was a beneficial process for me.

Now, five years after my reinstatement and a year after my disassociation, I am still enjoying the blessings associated with keeping my attention on God, where it belongs.

EVIDENCE is EVIDENCE.