To clarify, I love my roommate dearly. Our living arrangement is what it is by choice. I couldn't imagine life without her. But due to circumstances, neither of us is free to take a real mate now.
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Can you invision WTS easing anti-gay position?
by irondork ini was reading the article posted in slimboyfat's thread: mormons decline because of internet, ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-mormonchurch-idustre80t1cm20120131 ) .
former mormon church reseacher, ray briscoe was quoted: "i have never been associated with an organization that changes as fast as the mormon church.
i don't think god was ever against blacks in the priesthood.
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Can you invision WTS easing anti-gay position?
by irondork ini was reading the article posted in slimboyfat's thread: mormons decline because of internet, ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-mormonchurch-idustre80t1cm20120131 ) .
former mormon church reseacher, ray briscoe was quoted: "i have never been associated with an organization that changes as fast as the mormon church.
i don't think god was ever against blacks in the priesthood.
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rebel8: Looking back, how do you feel about your offer to remain celibate?
Of course, looking back now I realize my offer to remain celebate was driven by as much ignorance and naivete as my willingness to marry my female roommate just so others wouldn't gossip about our living arrangement. I got sucked in to both - I live with the consequences of both.
We all have our baggage.
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Can you invision WTS easing anti-gay position?
by irondork ini was reading the article posted in slimboyfat's thread: mormons decline because of internet, ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-mormonchurch-idustre80t1cm20120131 ) .
former mormon church reseacher, ray briscoe was quoted: "i have never been associated with an organization that changes as fast as the mormon church.
i don't think god was ever against blacks in the priesthood.
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irondork
I was reading the article posted in slimboyfat's thread: Mormons decline because of internet, ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-mormonchurch-idUSTRE80T1CM20120131 )
Former Mormon church reseacher, Ray Briscoe was quoted: "I have never been associated with an organization that changes as fast as the Mormon church. I don't think God was ever against blacks in the priesthood. We just had to grow up enough to accept it." As for gays -- "it will get there, in my judgment."
The thrust of the "gay" part of that article had to do with the church's stance on political issues. Politics is not something the WTS is likely to get involved with. I also doubt we'll ever see a gay marraige at the local kingdom hall.
The thing that got me to finally leave the JW's was not necessarily their stated position of "hate the sin/love the sinner". I made it clear to the JC that I believed they got the gay thing wrong, was waiting for the ban to be lifted, and was willing to remain celebate in the meantime just so I could be in Jehovah's organization. The thing that put me out the front door of the JW camp were the unwritten rules that absolutely apply against gays; the reality that exists on the ground, not the feel-good side notes in Watchtower articles that ocassionally remind the brothers to play nice even with people who disgust us.
Being an openly gay JW will keep you near the center of the gossip machine, marked, shunned (while still active), joked about, "don't touch my kids", insulted with limp-wristed gestures toward you in the field service car group... oh how the list could go on. The hierarchy paints this horrible picture about all the despicable things gay people ARE, that their "play nice with others" message falls flat.
The Mormon church seems to be learning a lesson here. Do you think the WTS has the wherewithal to do the same?
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Judicial Committee Meetings Sexual Matters
by Celestial inanyone had three elders (judicial committee) question you on sex before marriage?.
case in point, being raised as one of jehovah's witnesses, i partied with peers that were witnesses by tradition, inherent faith.
at the age of eighteen (1992), i was conversing about the elders with a group of witnesses, and a girl who had been before a judicial committee chimed in and said, they ask questions that are none of their fucking business.
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An incident in Maryland, USA some years ago, a ministerial servant's wife cheated on him and he thought he had a scriptural obligation to divorce her. So he did. Later, he found out that wasn't the requirement so he remarried his wife, who was by now disfellowshipped. So HE got disfellowshipped for marrying a disfellowshipped woman.
The rules are in place for a reason, brothers.
Then he was counseled that he needed to satisfy her more often and things like this wouldn't happen. The most remarkable thing about this case is that everyone in the circuit seemed to know all the dirty details.
JC's love their juicy bits and can't wait to share them.
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St. Petersburg (Russia): court rules blood to be given to child
by behemot incourt overturns jehovah's witnesses blood ban16:11 28/03/2012st.
petersburg, march 28 (ria novosti)doctors at a st. petersburg hospital had to ask a court to sanction a blood transfusion for a child whose parents, members of the jehovahs witnesses religion, had refused to give permission on religious grounds, city child rights commissioner svetlana agapitova said on wednesday.
on monday a car ran down three pedestrians in central st. petersburg, including a woman with a baby in a stroller.. .
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DilemmaGF: The WTS had turned the followers into murderers
And the WTS did it in such a convincing way that the followers thought they were actually rendering a sacred service to God.
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Being a JW is like being in an abusive relationship
by 00DAD inhow many of you feel that being a jw is like being in an abusive relationship?
what do you think are the similarities?
the differences?
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irondork
I trusted the organization and the governing body implicitly. I carried out every instruction to the best of my ability and always felt guilty for being unable to do more. When I came to realize they didn't give a squat for me, but rather considered me a slab of meat to turn in time, money, sweat and exhaustion every month, it was like learning your lover only used you for your money; screwed you for what he could get and then moved on to the next sucker.
I felt stupid. Used. An emotional disaster. Kinda like being in an abusive relationship.
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Does anyone else think there is less and less JW and religious content on this site each year?
by yadda yadda 2 ini may be wrong but it seems that with each passing year the number of real jw and religious related threads gets less and less on this site..
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irondork
Phizzy: set up for a wonderful free life, the person has no need to debate on here.
I've never seen a proper debate here. I have seen people make posts that run contrary to the mainline thinking of this forum followed by an immediate and brutal attack from a dozen directions, causing the poster to limp away on whats left of himself, but I have never seen a proper debate here. Not even an atmosphere conducive to a proper debate. For a person to be in the midst of all the turmoil associated with making an exit from the WTS to come here and and have their butt handed to them for being what they have been programed to be... for being exactly what everyone on this forum used to be.......
Even newcomers who have not been the target of such treatment find it distasteful.
Quick turnover, indeed.
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Eating Blood v Transfusion . . . same thing?
by sizemik inthe wts ban on the transfusion of whole blood or primary components is established on a number of "principles" which when taken in their entirety give rise to the doctrine.. one important one is the refusal to distinguish between the consumption of blood by eating .
and the consumption of blood by surgically implanting it (transfusion).
we've all heard the "alcohol" analogy.
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irondork
That a blood transfusion is more accurately likened to an organ transplant is the issue of hemolytic transfusion reaction. Essentially the patient's immune system can turn on and destroy the new red blood cells.
I wonder if this same reaction could be observed if alcohol were injected directly into a person's veins.
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Is the Watchtower blood guilty?. See what some elders have to say.
by blond-moment inthis jc is worth listening to, in my opinion he has the elders against the ropes most of discussion.. if you are only going to listen to one, this one is the money shot, this is the one i wish those curious about jw could hear.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhixl-riwzq.
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Locusts
by irondork inthe revelation...climax book describes jehovah's witnesses as being the locusts of rev.
9:2, 3. but i have never seen with my own eyes the description they give of being a torment to christendom.
a colossal pain in the butt to householders, but hardly a torment to other religions.
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irondork
Okay. That's certainly not one of the interpretations I would have come up with, but I'm all for the free exchange of ideas.
Your understanding... uhm... couuuuuuuuuld be what it means! :)