Posts by Nobleheart

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Unbelievable! Two prayers and encouraging words in the last two days

by TotallyADD in

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on friday morning i got a phone call from someone who was interested in buying a utility trailer i had for sale.

the man came over and looked at it and ended up buying it.

i invited him inside our home to fill out the paper work.

Nobleheart

Nice to hear about your positive experiences T ADD.

I wasn't a Christian but I used to attend church services time and again before I became a JW. I did meet many people who were friendly & loving and I remember the atmosphere was warm and more accepting than at the KH.

When I was studying with my family they told me 'love was the identifying mark of true christians'. Having a positive experience at churches, I was imagining attending the KH would be phenomenal. After the first few meetings, I realized there wasn't much love shown, it was a business like atmophere with a diligence on proper timing of set talks. So I asked my family "Where is the love, how are these true christians by Bible standarts?" They were surprised because the KH was all they knew.

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WTB$ joining the UN was lies all LIES I TELL YA!!!

by punkofnice in

i've been a very naughty punk and am hoping a good looking babe will spank me.....any offers?

ahem!

away from desired fantasy and to reality...........(but you can pm me...wink wink).

Nobleheart

Finding out about the UN involvement was a serious shake up to my faith in this org, which led me to research more online.

When I presented my family with all the printed documents, they denied it saying it was all lies! You can't trust the internet. But they suggested I communicate this concern to an elder.

After presenting my findings as originating from a study (which wasn't true), at first he denied it expressing his frustration with my exposure to 'apostate propaganda'.

When I pursued the matter more and showed him actual copies, he finally sent me an email with a letter from the Society to the elders, which confirmed that indeed they had been registered as an NGO from 1992-2001 and had disassociated themselves after their involvement became known in an article from the Guardian.

Even though the elder acknowledged the UN involvement, it failed to make an impression with my family. They didn't even admit they had dismissed it before as lies.

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JW's week after week trying to convert me

by HBJ in

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this is my first post.

i have been a protestant christian my entire life, but over the past few months ive been conversing with two jehovahs witnesses on a weekly basis.

as they quickly learned that i was biblically versed, they replaced what i would call a trainee, with someone i believe to be an elder.

Nobleheart

Lady Lee, I loved your post! All great points there!

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One step closer to freedom!

by OneDayillBeFree in

it has been some time since my last post on here and its been hard for me to post much since i'm still in and my fellow dubbies are always poking there heads in my business trying to find something wrong to get me into trouble, but i do enjoy lurking on here from time to time... and i do plan to post here much more in the near future!.

actually, being on this site and reading all of your threads (mostly on my phone) has become my favourite thing to do at meetings and on field service and pretty much anything wtbts related!.

you all have been such a great help and comfort to me when i feel down, seriously even the trolls that come around here every now and then leave me with a sense of tranquility, for it reminds me of how i used to be just like them at one point, it gets me all "happified" to know that i have now awakened and see the "truth" about the truth and feel quite at peace with myself at times.. as some of you that have read my first post may know... i've been working on a really, really long fade, and so far its been going steady to say the least.

Nobleheart

I haven't had the chance to read your first post so Welcome to this forum!

About Pioneer school...I attended it last year actually. Unlike you, I was totally mentally in at the time so I thought it to be such a privilege to receive this special encouragement and instruction that few others would have to chance to enjoy. Overall, I did like it except that I was trying my best to prepare for any question in the book, look up every single scripture (taken out of context) that I'd not get enough sleep and getting up early for the next morning session was really hard.

If you care about appearances, just jot down one scripture for a few questions instead of going overboard. This way the friends won't look at the white pages. Not really cool to miss out on the fine spiritual banquet, right?

You'll receive the schedule the first day (Monday). There are no classes on weekends, so it's a total of 10 days Mon-Fri between 9:00 am - 4:00 p.m, with a 1 hour lunch break 12:00-1:00.

You have an excuse to miss the mid-week meeting, and even the Sunday one if you're so busy studying...

During the 2 weeks, you'll get to go out in FS 3 times: once door to door, another time to follow up a RV you found from d2d (during the 1st week), and the third time to start a study (on the second week), I know...yeah right!.

Something I remember finding out during my Pio. School was that the tetragrammaton didn't appear one single time in the original copies of the Greek Scriptures. When our instructor said that, I was totally shocked. Others seemed unphased by it though.

Feel free to ask about it, the experience is still fresh in my mind. One suggestion for you is to ask questions, there are opportunities to do that at the end of each study but few take it. The instructors know pioneers wouldn't ask 'apostate questions' so they encourage you to pose questions about things.

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Matt 5:5 and the 'meek' again.....

by punkofnice in

on a previous thread watchtower articles were provided that showed the 'meek' were the 144k rather than those who are supposed to live on the earth after the alleged big 'a'.. in that thread the troll 'concernedjw' stated that the wtb$ had changed their thinking on this (no surprises there), to now mean 'earthly hope' dudes.. does anyone have the references from the litter-trash for this or was cjw wrong?.

Nobleheart

Definitely discreet slave. It's like saying " Matthew 5:5 does not strictly apply to the "other sheep". Or "In this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the mediator only for anointed Christians". (both quotes from WT lit.)

They're going beyond what's written anytime they add phrases like 'stricly', 'in the sense', etc.

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JW's week after week trying to convert me

by HBJ in

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friends

this is my first post.

i have been a protestant christian my entire life, but over the past few months ive been conversing with two jehovahs witnesses on a weekly basis.

as they quickly learned that i was biblically versed, they replaced what i would call a trainee, with someone i believe to be an elder.

Nobleheart

Welcome here HBJ!

You wrote "The WTBTS have admittedly stated that they have made changes to Scripture, much of it seems to make sense.."

Which of these changes seem to make sense to you?

Do you think that it's okay for JWs to make changes to the scriptures to fit their doctrines, or to force the Bible to 'make sense'?

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Matt 5:5 and the 'meek' again.....

by punkofnice in

on a previous thread watchtower articles were provided that showed the 'meek' were the 144k rather than those who are supposed to live on the earth after the alleged big 'a'.. in that thread the troll 'concernedjw' stated that the wtb$ had changed their thinking on this (no surprises there), to now mean 'earthly hope' dudes.. does anyone have the references from the litter-trash for this or was cjw wrong?.

Nobleheart

Thank you discreetslave.

Both WT quotes don't actually say 'meek ones = great crowd which "will inherit the earth."

The first one, clarifies that inheriting means benefiting from the actual heirs (Jesus + the anointed')s rule.

The second quote confirms that the 'meek ones who will inherit the earth' are primarily Jesus, then his joint heirs (144 thousand). The other meek ones get to enjoy everlasting life, they don't inherit the earth as Matthew 5:5 says.

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Matt 5:5 and the 'meek' again.....

by punkofnice in

on a previous thread watchtower articles were provided that showed the 'meek' were the 144k rather than those who are supposed to live on the earth after the alleged big 'a'.. in that thread the troll 'concernedjw' stated that the wtb$ had changed their thinking on this (no surprises there), to now mean 'earthly hope' dudes.. does anyone have the references from the litter-trash for this or was cjw wrong?.

Nobleheart

@ Punkofnice

Rom 8:17 "If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ."

Gal 3:29 "Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.

Only the anointed (+Jesus) are referred to as 'heirs' in the Greek Scriptures, and only 'heirs' get the inheritance. There are 'heirs' to God's kingdom and all it encompasses, including planet earth.

The "great crowd" are just the household servants. They hold the earth in trust for Christ and his bride as permanent tenants. They inherit nothing. They should just be grateful to draw oxygen and work.

I don't have access to a WT-CD, but I'd like to see a quote which expressly says the 'meek ones will inherit the earth' - being applied to the great crowd. Not "possess" or 'live on". One of the quotes I provided (from jwfacts) was from The Insight book, which is still considered current Watchtower truth.

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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Why It Matters - What the Evidence Shows

by wannabefree in

obviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.

Nobleheart

It's troubling they come up with these articles. The average JW would definitely be impressed by the 'deep research' undertaken by the 'faithful brothers'. Most JWs can't even remember how the WT relates 607 with 1914, and they stick with simply reading the explanation from Reasoning or Bible teach appendix, so it'll go unnoticed by these.

For a small group who's heard about the 587/586 date, this article would be 'meat in due time' to reaffirm in their minds how the GB alone sticks with the supposed Bible date, at odds with 'worldly wisdom'.

Families with 'apostates' members would read this and go 'Aha, more confirmation he/she is wrong and we're right all along!'

I can imagine a few JWs hoping that more archaelogical evidence eventually emerges to corroborate 607.

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Looking back -- 2 years as sd-7

by sd-7 in

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i won't likely be able to post on the 31st, so i'm taking this moment to make a post now, in honor of my 2-year anniversary at jwn.

happy mother frakking anniversary, sd-7!!

as we ponder it, we start to realize just how much i've grown.

Nobleheart

Happy 2 year anniversary !

I'm really glad you're doing well and all the friends in the forum have contributed in any way to support you!

Keep us posted while you can and have a pleasant weekend!