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  Lack of emoticons

  by Newborn in

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  i often wish there were more smileys and symbols to chose from!

  isn't there anyway to add more?.

  for instance, now it would have been great with a christmas tree but i guess a palm tree will have to do.

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  guess a palm tree will have to do
  
  

  Well just have a 30th century xmas:

  
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  Sticky Situation - What to do?

  by I<3MYGod in

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  i have posted about my experience with the cult....so now i find myself in a difficult position.

  i have left it alone for many years but i wonder what you guys think.. i faded away from the cult and stopped going for quite a while.

  my older sister took it upon herself to meet with my family and discuss all my sins and actions (they were active).

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  This isn't really a 'sticky situation' yet.

  You are about to MAKE a sticky situation, but you're not currently in one.
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  Are Faith and Reason Compatible? Jan Awake

  by DanaBug in

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  here's some quotes from that article:.

  the bible says, for example, that if your worship is to be acceptable to god, it must be a sacred service with your power of reason.

  in other words, you must worship god in a way that is worthy of thinking beings.

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  http://youtube.com/v/q2SJgAdpCVQ

  Funny how Shermer lets the priest go through his whole 2 minute routine at the beginning without so much as a peep. But the priest interupts Shermer in his very first sentence and doesn't let him talk from then on out.

  Not that the inabilty to be civil in a discussion proves that there is no god. But it does prove that the priest is a jerk.
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  Ok. Let's have some comments on this pic from march 15 wt

  by therevealer in

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  Ah the pointless jobs they assign people to do.

  Why does he have to stand there holding a mic on a stick? She can't hold a mic herself while she comments?

  And he's not supposed to look at her. (Yeah that's intentional, it's not just a weird picture, they INTENDED for him to not be paying attentiont to where he holds that mic. Makes you wonder how they're supposed to avoid smacking someone in the face if they can't look at them.

  At the last assembly they had a designated area for the baptismal victims to sit. They had TWO brothers STANDING there for literally over 30 minutes before the assembly started holding signs that said: "Reserved for baptismal candidates"

  WHY?!?!

  They could have been replaced with a piece of tape.

  And then an elder approached me, I'm neither an elder nor a servant, and asked me to volunteer to help do something because, and I quote: "We're shorthanded and need all the help we can get." No clue what he wanted me to do, probably hold a third sign or hold a door open.

  If you're short on people I have some suggestions that will give you about 15 extra guys.

  1: Tape a sign to the reserved seats, saving 2 brothers from holding signs.
  2: Set a deck of programs on a table with a sign (not held by a brother) that says: "please take one" That'll save a brother from handing them out at every entrance
  3: Use a door stop. There is no reason for you to have a guy holding open INTERIOR doors for people to walk through.
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  Governing Body 3.0?

  by Think About It in

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  wts gb 2.0 is fully in place now with the death of barr.

  out of the current gb members, who would be considered members of gb 3.0, or has that group started yet?

  the jw's might as well face it......their armaggedon is not coming and their gb could go on and on.. .

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  I would say the ones born before 1914 were 1.0 - Barr was the last of these.

  The ones born before 1935 are 2.0 - This includes Samuel Herd, Theodore Jaracz and Guy Pierce.

  And the ones born after that are 3.0 - That's the rest of them.
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  Were You Happy That Jack Barr Of The GB Died?

  by minimus in

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  i read that some are quite happy that another gb bites the dust.. i think of my "faithful" elderly jw mother who helped many many families come into the "truth".

  she's an intelligent woman.

  however, she's blinded by her beliefs (being in a cult).

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  I'm not going to pretend that I'm never happy when someone dies. But I didn't know enough about Jack Barr to give a crap. . .

  For all I know he may have been the last voice of reason in the GB and his death will allow the remaining members to escalate the insanity to unheard of levels.

  Or he might have been the only one pushing the 'no blood' rule and his death will allow millions of people to get decent health care.

  So are they going to replace him? Do they have a minimum amount of GB members?
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  Creationist Theme Park: "Ark Encounter"

  by leavingwt in

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  say hello to ark encounter.. .

  kentucky governor unveils plans for creationist theme park complete with full-sized ark.

  .. a joint project between beshear and answers in genesis -- a christian organization that also built a similar attraction, the creation museum -- the park will reportedly cost at least $150 million and create 900 jobs, according to the news release.. beshear's spokesperson kerri richardson declined to comment beyond what was in her office's news release on the project.. the amusement park, named ark encounter, will include all the modern recreation amenities, including: a full-sized wooden ark, a "walled city much like was found in ancient times, a replica of the tower of babel with exhibits, a first-century middle eastern village" and even outdoor parking.

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  But... how does the bible date the flood to four thousand years ago? I think that's an assumption people get from whatever, but that doesn't mean its true.

  You have clearly givin this subject LOADS of thought and research.

  The Bible has a big huge boring list of Noahs decendants.

  2 years after the flood Noahs son Sham had a child name Arthropod (or something like that)
  35 years later Athropod had a son named Shoopdawoop
  When Shoopdawoop was 30 he had a son named Uber
  34 years later Uber had a kid named Peg Leg

  And the list goes on and on until it gets to gets to Abraham. Basically if you add all this up there's a grand total of 350ish years between the flood and Abrahams birth.

  According to both Acts and Genesis, Abraham was 75 when god promised him something vague.
  Then Paul said that it was 430 years after this promise that the nation of Israel left Egypt.

  So right there we can figure out that it was about 855 years between the flood and the exodus.

  According to Paul in his letter to the Galatians, 480 years after the israelites left egypt, solomon started building the temple.

  And since this, the building of the temple, is the first REAL event we have a date on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon's_Temple
  based on actual history, solomon started building the temple around 900BC

  This all means, that the flood uccured 1335 years before the founding of the Temple in 900BC. THUS it uccured in 2235 BC (Which is 4246 years ago for those of you who aren't good with the CE/BCE switch.)

  And THAT my friends in a nutshell, is the assumption people get from whatever.

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  Creationist Theme Park: "Ark Encounter"

  by leavingwt in

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  say hello to ark encounter.. .

  kentucky governor unveils plans for creationist theme park complete with full-sized ark.

  .. a joint project between beshear and answers in genesis -- a christian organization that also built a similar attraction, the creation museum -- the park will reportedly cost at least $150 million and create 900 jobs, according to the news release.. beshear's spokesperson kerri richardson declined to comment beyond what was in her office's news release on the project.. the amusement park, named ark encounter, will include all the modern recreation amenities, including: a full-sized wooden ark, a "walled city much like was found in ancient times, a replica of the tower of babel with exhibits, a first-century middle eastern village" and even outdoor parking.

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  So by that thought, and with only two or seven pairs of beetles (don't know if they were clean or unclean) and the same for every other kind of creature, that tends to make the idea of space in the ark more feasible.

  2 or 7 pairs?

  So you're saying that in 4500 years ago we had a grand total of 14 beetles on the planet, and since then they have evolved into everything including Ladybugs, scarabs, rhino beetles, dung beetles, June Bugs and everything HERE: http://www.koleopterologie.de/gallery/index.html

  In under 5k years?
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  Creationist Theme Park: "Ark Encounter"

  by leavingwt in

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  say hello to ark encounter.. .

  kentucky governor unveils plans for creationist theme park complete with full-sized ark.

  .. a joint project between beshear and answers in genesis -- a christian organization that also built a similar attraction, the creation museum -- the park will reportedly cost at least $150 million and create 900 jobs, according to the news release.. beshear's spokesperson kerri richardson declined to comment beyond what was in her office's news release on the project.. the amusement park, named ark encounter, will include all the modern recreation amenities, including: a full-sized wooden ark, a "walled city much like was found in ancient times, a replica of the tower of babel with exhibits, a first-century middle eastern village" and even outdoor parking.

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  900 jobs. .

  Well the ark itself should only require 8 people tops. Probably less than that if you don't have all the animals in there right?

  Hey! Now they gotta make 2 life sized replicas of every animal species and see if they can cram them all into that thing. (I'd settle for a cardboard box representing their aprox size)
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  "Are science and the Bible compatible?"

  by 8209233306 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  found this in the latest issue of awake!

  : "where science is limited.

  many truths about god are beyond thescope of science.

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  Or:
  To illustrate, a scientist may be able to describe every molecule in a hurricane storm system, but will his (are there any female scientists?) analysis reveal why the hurricane was made or for whom?
  
  This example sounds weird because we implicitly know that emergent systems arise in nature without a conscious purpose. The analogy instead compares nature with things manufactured by humans, not with things in the natural world.

  Gah, thank you!

  I was trying to think of an example that a creationist wouldn't consider intelligently designed anyway.

  I was thinking of rocks, crystals, craters, magnets, iceburgs. . . But I've seen arguments that ALL of those were intelligently designed.

  Anyone who thinks god intended there to be hurricanes is too far gone to bother talking too.