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  A Pettion for US Residents to Suspend Tax Exemption From Religious Cults deadline July 1st

  by discreetslave in

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  this petition is to actively encourage congress to revise usc title 26 501 (and possibly 170) so that all tax exempt organizations must promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and employees.. .

  congress should authorize the irs to promulgate regulations; investigate members, employees, and former members complaints; and enforce legislation.

  an organizations tax exempt status should be suspended for not less than 3 years that does not promote freedom of religion and speech to its members and employees and instead intimidates or coerces them.. .

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  Lore

  Gotta partially disagree with you NC.

  Tax exemption is a privilege, not a right. To earn this privilege, at the moment, all you have to do is claim to be a religion and if the government agrees that you are in fact a religion, then you are tax exempt.

  A bit of responsibility should be required on the part of any organization that wants to be tax exempt.

  If you want to shun ex-members, tell homosexuals they can't join, be sexist, racist or otherwise unamerican, that's your right and nobody should stop you. But not if you want to be tax exempt.

  Ideally the requirements should include: Contributing beneficially to society through charity, education or other.

  But for now: Not being evil. Is a decent first requirement.

  I don't see how this is more unconstitutional. At the moment we are giving religious organizations a financial advantage based SOLEY on the fact that they are religious. There is no constitutional justification for that.
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  Why did Lazarus Pay for his sins twice?

  by criticalwitness in

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  according to j dub doc the wages sins pays is death meaning to them death covers your debt of sin when lazarus died did he not pay his debt?

  so when jesus resctd him why did he die again?

  when jesus brought him back did he creat or recreat an imperfect being on the sinful road to destruction?

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  mP, you are really a bit of a mess, aren't you?

  Everything mP said was correct.

  Matthew talks about the dead people walking around in Jerusalem. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27%3A52-53&version=NKJV

  And is correct that no historian or even the other gospel writers bothered to record this event.

  The gospels regularly give line by line dialoge of events that none of them were present for, like the trial and even including a prayer and angelic visit to Jesus that NOBODY else saw heard or could have possibly recorded.
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  Why did Lazarus Pay for his sins twice?

  by criticalwitness in

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  according to j dub doc the wages sins pays is death meaning to them death covers your debt of sin when lazarus died did he not pay his debt?

  so when jesus resctd him why did he die again?

  when jesus brought him back did he creat or recreat an imperfect being on the sinful road to destruction?

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  Lore

  Why does it sound like a stupid loophole? Why is it so far fetched to assume that Lazarus sinned again after his resurrection?

  Because, as a perfect human, he shouldn't have had the 'sinful tendencies' anymore. He should have been equally capable of living a sinless life as Jesus was. (minus the past experience)

  He only had to last 2 more years at max.

  The bible never states that he went on to sin. This is just assumed as a way to get out of an uncomfortable theological puzzle. Same goes for the widow's son.

  And it sounds like a stupid loophole because it's a stupid loophole. Lazarus is somehow responsible for the sin of some guy 4000 years before he was born, and the only way he can pay for this 'debt' is by dying. So he does die and is one of the lucky few to actually come back to life after paying for this debt, and then the moment he accidently swallows a gnat or sits on the same seat that his wife or sister was on during her period BAM, he's sinful again and can only pay for it by dying again.

  So one death pays for millenia of past ancestor sins plus all the sins he committed personally in his life. But not the few he was about to commit in the 2 years before Jesus death?

  How come Jesus death could pay for all sins past, present and future, but Lazarus death only paid for all sins past.

  And of course all of this only applies if Jesus hadn't died yet. So the kid who fell out the window would be covered by the ransom, and theoretically should still be alive somewhere whether he sinned or not.
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  Evolution skeptics will soon be silenced by science: Richard Leakey

  by cantleave in

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  2. beliefs

  can you see the jw's changing their stance?.

  http://richarddawkins.net/articles/646060-evolution-skeptics-will-soon-be-silenced-by-science-richard-leakey.

  richard leakey predicts skepticism over evolution will soon be history.. not that the avowed atheist has any doubts himself.. sometime in the next 15 to 30 years, scientific discoveries will have accelerated to the point that "even the skeptics can accept it," the kenyan-born paleoanthropologist said.. "if you get to the stage where you can persuade people on the evidence, that it's solid, that we are all african, that colour is superficial, that stages of development of culture are all interactive, then i think we have a chance of a world that will respond better to global challenges.".

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  Lore

  Given that this weeks watchtower study is still asserting that there was a global flood with only 8 survivors 4,400 years ago. . . I don't think evidence has any effect on these people.

  More evidence is just more stuff to ignore.
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  Were Blacks Treated Differently Than Whites In Your Congregation?

  by minimus in

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  i was raised in a city hall.

  it was pretty evenly split.

  i wasn't raised in a blacks vs. whites environment.

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  Lore

  Not that I've noticed. But I'm white, I understand that exempts me from being able to tell if something is racist.
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  Why did Lazarus Pay for his sins twice?

  by criticalwitness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to j dub doc the wages sins pays is death meaning to them death covers your debt of sin when lazarus died did he not pay his debt?

  so when jesus resctd him why did he die again?

  when jesus brought him back did he creat or recreat an imperfect being on the sinful road to destruction?

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  Lore

  I asked the same question. Answer I got was that Lazarus paid for his sins with his death. But since Jesus hadn't died yet if Lazarus sinned again then he would become imperfect again. So Lazarus must have sinned after being ressurected and before Jesus died.

  Which just sounds like a stupid loophole Gods lawyers came up with after the fact.

  But even so. What about the kid who fell out the window and died after Jesus death? He should have been ressurected perfect, and then any further sins would be covered by the ransom!
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  How would you like it if Jehovah took a vacation from you?

  by irondork in

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  2. bible

  from the platform: when encouraging school-age children to use their summer, and adults to use their secular vacations for pioneering, we were asked, how would you like it if jehovah took a vacation from you?.

  w/82 5/15 zealous parents produce missionaries p.11.

  we were brought up in a happy theocratic home where our parents helped us to love and live the truth.

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  And if he took a vacation, would you be able to notice the difference?
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  Drones Could Soon Be Flying In Florida Skies

  by Bangalore in

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  drones could soon be flying in florida skies.. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-03/news/os-unmanned-drones-florida-future-20120603_1_drone-industry-faa-law-space-florida.

  bangalore.

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  Lore

  could fill a variety of peaceful roles, from aerial photography and land surveying to law-enforcement duties such as monitoring red-light running and speeding.
  
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  Drones . . can cost from thousands to millions of dollars each.

  Privacy concerns aside. (Since, lets face it, you don't have any privacy.) If we spend thousands or millions of dollars on something that can be accomplished by a $100 traffic camera, someone needs to lose their job.
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  New DVD 2012 - Walk By Faith, Not By Sight

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it only takes a couple of minutes to download.

  the video quality isn't that great at times, but let see how this goes .... http://www.sendspace.com/file/gk744d.

  it will suffice until someone puts up a better one.. .

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  Lore

  I seem to recall the Jews were not allowed to ride horses. And one of the kings got in trouble for breeding a bunch of horses.

  I could be wrong.
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  Images we grew up seeing.

  by d in

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  Lore

  In the world we live in, there is no reason to frighten children with scary images.

  If the witnesses were correct however and the children would soon have to live through this type of thing, it would probably be good for them to be prepared for it.

  Yeah it sucks that this cult is scaring children. But no witness is gonna see it that way. In their eyes, this is only bad if they're wrong.