Posts by Hoffnung

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I would like your input on this statement found in old "Zion's Day Star" advertisement. Is this true?

by AndersonsInfo in

"truth never changes, our views of it may change...".

can this argument be used by religions like watch tower that often change the slant of their doctrinal interpretations to justify the change?.

barbara.

Hoffnung

The problem with the WT Society, they never had "truth" to start with, not even to their own definition.

They claim to adhere strictly to the bible to define their doctrine. A comprehensive and contextual reading of the bible quickly reveals that they never were close to the message of the bible. So even if the viewpoint changes, they are still looking at the wrong things. Only a wholesale revision of the Watchtower doctrine to align it with the biblical message will bring improvement. As this will remove a lot of the mind-control techniques used to keep people bonded with the society, it is very unlikely this will ever happen.

Watchtower doctrines are based upon lies. As truth catches up with lies, they have to adapt it by modifying the lies, usually adding more lies to it, or by keeping silent over their past lies.

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Undercover Brother Campaign- have you received your invite?

by stuckinamovement in

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without specifics being mentioned as to what it is......(to avoid tipping off certain lurkers).. how many people know about the upcoming summer long campaign?

please use this thread to confirm receipt of your campaign invitation.

take care.

Hoffnung

I did not receive any invite. I will be obliged to attend this boring event, so if you have something to spice it up, I'm in!! Send me a pm please..

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June Service Meeting part: Marriage, separation and divorce

by Quarterback in

i'm curious as to why this is a national topic for a service meeting part?

has anyone any thoughts on this?.

Hoffnung

Quarterback, this part was also considered in the German congregations. I found it extremely boring. But then again, the midweek meetings are boring by nature. My best guess, it is becoming a big problem that married JW divorce and remarry without having the correct "Scriptural Grounds". Quite a big part of the new elders book focused on this problem too.

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ressure on facility owner forces cancellation of Witnesses convention in Armenia

by Hoffnung in

just found a few new articles on the jw-media.org website.

i don't know if anybody has posteca bout this subject before.

it seems that quite some eastern countries are unhappy with jw.. pressure on facility owner forces cancellation of witnesses convention in armeniadespite not-guilty verdict, altay republic supreme court orders retrial of landmark case

Hoffnung

Just found a few new articles on the jw-media.org website. I don't know if anybody has posteca bout this subject before. It seems that quite some eastern countries are unhappy with JW.

Pressure on facility owner forces cancellation of Witnesses’ convention in Armenia

Despite not-guilty verdict, Altay Republic Supreme Court orders retrial of landmark case

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JW blood donors.

by bigmac in

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Hoffnung

If it would come to a JC, having given a blood donation to get it transfused during the operation might be seen as a determined and thought-through action, increasing your chances of getting DF'ed. Be aware of JW amongst the hospital staff. It does not matter to them that the whole issue is full with inconsistencies. Abstract policy based upon a possible interpretation of a bible verse is more important than a human life.

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Best way to step down from being a servant

by RayPublisher in

hey i'm wondering if anyone can give some good advice on how to step down in the safest way.. i have served as an ms for a number of years, but can't do it anymore.

i know too much i want to fade in the future when i get some family things straightened out.

i can't move right now so that's out unfortunately.. what should i tell the body?

Hoffnung

Most important, don't give them any concrete information to work with. When we got a sheperding call by 2 elders about my more than 1 year inactivity in FS, I told "something" from within me prevented me of going out, I could not bring myself any more to it. They tried with the "Field service is very important" approach and the "we would like to use you more, but for that you need to go in service" tactic, obviously without result. My wife and I had a good laugh when they left. They were absolustely clueless as to what the real problem is. So much for elders guided by Holy Spirit LOL.

Remain vague and inconcrete. It will make their tactics less effective as it does not give them any idea where to point at.

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

Hoffnung

Maze, you are under the influence of the Society's mind control, just as we all once were (or most of us). Cults do not deliver upon their promises, JW are no exception. Armaggedon did not come yet, although it has been announced with great fervor since more than 100 years. The so called love in the congregation is a fairy tale, and is utterly conditional, you certainly have seen and experienced that yourself. This is happening BECAUSE it is structured that way by the society, it is intentional. You will get a nice touch of reality when you turn infirm and all your friends reduce their contacts just because you cannot go out in service any more. Just realize that the 75% of active witnesses will never talk to you again if you admit you are a regular poster on discussion boards like these.

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How To Leave Jehovah's Witnesses Easily and Painlessly

by Daniel Metz in

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i have just thought of a way to leave jehovah's witnesses using information from the new shepherd the flock of god book.

it's quite simply: rebaptism.

here are the steps:.

Hoffnung

Welcome and post some more.

The standard fade combined with claimed feelings of depression and worthlessness will achieve a safer exit. The method outlined in the OP, will put you on the elder's radar and make you loose time in studying the same doctrine for the 1001 time. Just my 2 cents. I am on my way out now, fading slowly but surely

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Religious Reform

by Maze in

as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

Hoffnung

Hi Maze,

Let us return to the subject of this thread, reform. Let us talk about Judicial Comites. Judicial comites and their procedural rules are problematic, to say the least. As far as I know "judicial comite" is nowhere in the bible.

But even if it was, the biblical standard of judicial matters would at least be public one. Judges in the israel of old made decisions in the city gates, open to the scrunity for everybody. So tell me Maze, why are judicial comites behind closed doors? Which bible verse prohibits there to be any witness of the judicial process? Would public justice not guarantee more correct judgements? Please answer.

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The Watchtower, Christianity and Cultism

by Nickolas in

if you want to upset a jehovah's witness, refer to the watchtower as a sect.

if you really want to upset a jehovah's witness, refer to the watchtower as a cult.

that's pretty much a conversation stopper.. the watchtower denigrates the rest of christianity.

Hoffnung

Point taken Nickolas. I never was a Catholic, and I guess my impressions as an outsider were incorrect.