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  Tolerance

  by Chariklo in

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  2. beliefs

  in another thread, someone wrote, about another religion,.

  actually i don t care about this religion.

  i just don t want it my country.

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  Tolerance of intolerance isn't tolerance at all, but surrender

  We need to distinguish between letting people show intolerance (ie making fools of themselves), and imposing their rules upon others.
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  Tolerance

  by Chariklo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread, someone wrote, about another religion,.

  actually i don t care about this religion.

  i just don t want it my country.

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  Retrovirus

  Hi Chariklo, nice to see you posting again!

  From your first post:

  The Watchtower, par excellence, demonstrates an organisation that. above all, proclaims its ownership of God's truth, and actively tries to hook in people from other religions

  I think you're being too kind to the wt by omission. It also targets, insults and misrepresents other religions. I was quite shocked when my jw ladies googled my religion (fine) only to look for "errors".

  I want to believe I think all religions have rules that come from a dubious "theocratic" source (yes, mine included ). The rules is where they differ. As with Christianity, Judaism and buddhism, Islam has fanatical, restrictive sects, liberal sects and middle-of the-road ones.

  The trouble begins only when we can be convinced that other people should be persuaded or constrained to live by our rules.
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  How Purposeful And Meaningful Was The Full-Time Service? "Rivers Of Joy, Euphoric Bliss, Better Sex?"

  by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ramblings of a tired, worn out, book and magazine "pusher".

  i am stuck in limbo, reading the watchtower of february 15, 2012, wondering where i went wrong.

  how come i am not the happiest person on earth?

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  Preaching and Those With a "Right Heart Condition"

  by thinking_1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  aka "gullible, unquestioning, and at least somewhat uneducated".

  this is one of those lines that really helps out when a jw runs into someone who know what they're talking about.. whether it's the bible, or scientific matters, or anything else where someone thy're talking to doesnt' agree with the teachings of "the slave", and has good reasonable points that they are trying to get across.. by telling the flock, and in turn the flock telling themselves that it's because of the persons "heart condition" and not their inability to accept the poor explanations and reasoning required to think like a jw, it insulates them from hearing too many facts that the teaching can't stand up to.. when they (probably unconsciously) sense that they are losing in a discussion, they can always tell themselves that the other person is unreasonable or has that pesky "bad heart"..

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  Exactly, thinking-1!

  Now I can see why the jws who conducted my "bible study" suggested that I pray for a good heart. And there i was thinking my heart was OK!

  Another thing that helps to form a good heart condition is feeling depressed, lonely or otherwise needy; looking for an outside solution to problems rather than tackling them. I think jws are trained to hone in on this. . .
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  Pray for me (pain)

  by StopTheTears in

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  i don't usually ask for prayers in here but i'm really down and out.

  i have a pinched nerve in my lower back that will not get better.

  also, my right foot hurts.

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  Retrovirus

  I hope very much that your pain eases soon. Take care.
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  Assistance Needed

  by admirmitch in

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  Retrovirus

  Welcome, admirmitch!

  I'm another non-jw who has had several months of "Bible" "study" ( )

  In the end, they'll dismiss you as "bad association" and cling to their beliefs - but hopefully you'll leave them with some niggling doubts.

  Good luck!

  Retro
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  I believe God

  by N.drew in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  someone said atheists are a minority.

  i think that is incorrect.

  salvation belongs to yhwh.

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  Jumbo!

  But why are more "atheists" - your term - bad news?
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  I believe God

  by N.drew in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  someone said atheists are a minority.

  i think that is incorrect.

  salvation belongs to yhwh.

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  Retrovirus

  Bad news, I know

  Can I ask why it's bad news?
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  I believe God

  by N.drew in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  someone said atheists are a minority.

  i think that is incorrect.

  salvation belongs to yhwh.

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  Retrovirus

  From here:

  Far off in Dreamtime, there were only people, no animals or birds, no trees or bushes, no hills or mountains.

  The country was flat. Goorialla, the great Rainbow Serpent, stirred and set off to look for his own tribe. He travelled across Australia from South to North. He reached Cape York where he stopped and made a big red mountain called Naralullgan. He listened to the wind and heard only voices speaking strange languages.

  This is not my country, the people here speak a different tongue. I must look for my own people. Goorialla left Naralullgan and his huge body made a deep gorge where he came down. He travelled North for many days and his tracks made the creeks and rivers as he journeyed North. Goorialla made two more mountains, one of the Naradunga was long made of granite, the other had sharp peaks and five caves and was called, Minalinha. One day Goorialla heard singing and said, "Those are my people, they are holding a big Bora." At the meeting place of the two rivers, Goorialla found his own people singing and dancing. He watched for a long time, then he came out and was welcomed by his people. He showed the men how to dress properly and taught them to dance. A big storm was gathering, so all the people built humpies for shelter.

  Two young men, the bil-bil or Rainbow Lorikeet brothers came looking for shelter but no one had any room. They asked their grandmother, the Star Woman but she had too many dogs and couldn't help them. the Bil-bil brothers went to Goorialla who was snoring in his humpy but he had no room. The rain got heavier and the boys went back to Goorialla and called out that the rain was heavy. Goorialla said, "All right come in now." The Bil-bil bothers ran into Goorialla's mouth and he swallowed them. Then he began to worry about what the people would say when they found the boys missing. He decided to travel North to Bora-bunaru, the only great natural mountain in the land. Next morning the people found that the boys were gone and saw the tracks of Goorialla and knew that he had swallowed them.

  You may never see these lakes or mountains, but after the rain you will see his spirit in the sky , which is the rainbow. This is the reason why he is called Goorialla the Rainbow Serpent.

  There are many versions of the Rainbow Serpent legend. The Rainbow Serpent is associated with water and rain, and therefore with fertility and abundance. The winding beds of dry creeks are often identified as his or her tracks. As small striped worms and snakes are found near water inland, these are the RS's progeny while his spirit is the actual rainbow.

  This site shows that the rainbow serpent appreared in Arnhem land rock art 6000+ years ago.
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  I believe God

  by N.drew in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  someone said atheists are a minority.

  i think that is incorrect.

  salvation belongs to yhwh.

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  Retrovirus

  The rainbow serpent is an Australian aboriginal creation myth, a really beautiful one. If you want detail, I'll catch up tomorrow.

  night all, Retro