Posts by Retrovirus

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July 15th WT - WT Society Promotes " Freedom " by using Fear & Guilt

by flipper in

jw
friends

of course, freedom means a lot of different things to many different people.

however- to the wt society it means controlling it's jw members through fear and guilt to promote a " conditional " freedom - which turns out to not be freedom at all - just a manipulated socially restricted condition in which jehovah's witnesses are caged animals waiting for the next bit of " spiritual " food to be thrown to them by wt articles like this.. at the start of this article on pg.

7 in paragraph 1 it states that due to lawlessness, none of us have freedom to roam around at night, there are alarms, security systems - so the wt society infers we are all living in fear.

Retrovirus

Hi Mr Flipper!

from you OP

Those who are enthralled by the world's spirit and who indulge their fleshly desires may THINK they are free. The reality, however , is quite the opposite. Mountains of rules and regulations are necessary to curb their hurtful appetites and behavior.

But . . .doesn't the WT, officially at least, tell it's members to comply with the laws of Society? So they need to obey all the "rules and regulations that apply to "worldly ones", plus everything else the WT loads on top. That's now called "freedom"? No wonder the article is all over the place!

He saw a heart that would be receptive to his liberating law, a heart that would SUBMIT to His kind influence. "

To me this is worse still. So "Jehovah", the loving father of all, causes billions of souls to be born, creates a chosen few with the right "heart condition" and sets them up to be saved while the rest go to oblivion? But of course in two "classes", the earthly and heavenly? And further, these must still "earn" their salvation (ie SUBMIT, and lose their freedom) or perish with the not-chosen?

Doesn't stack up too well against most human parents, does he?

Retro

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Well ladies. What say you about the latest public tower

by therevealer in

is this statement on page 5 "though the surgeon performs the actual operation, is he more important?

it is hard to say.".

meant to be translated "is the guy more important to the gal?

Retrovirus

Yes, JWFacts got the point. At the end of page 4 they do quote that Eve was created as a "helper" and complement" to Adam, and then deliberately focus on the meaning and implications of "complement" only. Absolutely typical Watchtower misrepresentation.

Also have a look at the box on page 9, about Paul telling women to remain silent and ask their husbands later. "Likely. . .some Christian women were so enthusiastic that they interrupted the speaker. . . ". A flagrant example of going beyond what was written if ever I saw one!

Of course women were not regarded in any way as equals to men in Biblical times. And this is clearly replected in the Bible.

Retro

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At my breaking point

by so confused in

so it does not seem like im dealing very well.

its been 6 month since we have stopped going to the meeting.

embarssing in front of co-worker and my new supervisor.

Retrovirus

Hi, I'm a never-jw (some family in, and "studied" for a few months), but I am a mum. You are exactly right to put your welfare first now, and that of your children, born and not born.

Unfortunately, in my experience jws are trained to detect and exploit vulnerability (after all, it's for our own good right? ). But, it's great that your family have decided to ease off.

Best to avoid discussion of things jw until you are sure you're ready. Don't hesitate to say you're not ready, have a headache, backache, need some space, whatever. Practice some "gentle put-offs" - any counsellor could coach you - such as "I'll consider that when I'm feeling better", "no, not right now, thanks", "tell me about . . .(anything else)" etc.

And keep doing whatever makes you feel good now - spending time with your kid is great; that's the sort of thing you'll remember in the better times to come.

Best wishes, Retro

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When there are hundreds of thousands of toys in the market, why buy your your child the magic toy

by Mr Facts in

jw
friends

when there are hundreds of thousands of toys in the market, why buy your child the magical toy?..

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Retrovirus

Please, MrFacts, tell me which toy is actually magic and what it does! I want to buy it for myself!

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What Watchtower Got Wrong with Their Child Molestation Policy

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

in the style of stephen lett, i'm trying to come up with an exhaustive, enumerated list (without his crazy eyebrows, goofy facial expressions, and nutty voice).

what watchtower has gotten wrong isn't just their 2 witness rule.

it goes much deeper into other failures of jw dogma that has allowed this injustice and others to flourish in their organization.

Retrovirus

I'd like to add to Nugget's point about repentance. Like many other religions, the WT is arrogantly confident that their elders can diagnose "genuine repentance" and that this would prevent re-offending. There seems to have been a small measure of watchfulness that the stepdaughter was not bothered again. . . but for CC to have been molested over 2 years, shows that the offender was allowed access to other children - completely unsupervised.

They deserve to lose much more than $28 million.

Retro

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This was my 'Sign'

by MsGrowingGirl20 in

jw
friends

in my previous post i mentioned that i'm staying in the org because i think i got a sign from god...some of you asked a lot of questions about my sign and even shared the society's view on asking for signs which i didn't know.. i didn't disclose exactly what the sign was.. some of you asked me what it was and even stated that i know that you all would pick apart and prove that my sign was just a frivolous excuse to hold on to the org.. maybe you were right.. so i've decided to tell you all exactly what it was---no embellishments or exaggerations.

i would love to hear your opinions since i'm still in a terrible mess.sometimes i'm 100% this is not the truth then other times i'm 60%....i feel if god was giving me a sign i'd be 100% this is the truth you know?.

so i woke up that morning and organized to go meeting.

Retrovirus

Ms Growing Girl

Just wanted to say I really admire your courage.

You have read CoC, brought your concerns to this site and planned higher education. This, given your upbringing and the controlling nature of your religion is extraordinarily brave. Your willingness to disclose the nature of your sign is a further example of this bravery.

Any God who cares about the moral values of this children cannot be displeased by courage and a willingness to test and lean. This IMO is confirmed by the Bible.

With this attitude, and your care for your cousin, I'm sure you will both find your way. I hope it will be as painless as possible.

Best wishes, Retro

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JWs At My Door Today

by TOTH in

jw
friends

so here i sat eating my father's day brunch and the knock at the door startled me.

i peaked and it was a man and teenaged boy in suits.

it was already like ninety degrees outside and they had on suit jackets....jws.

Retrovirus

Excellent!

I'll try this too, and then ask to see their current Working With Children cards.

Can't wait . . .

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CO Visits... Are elders honest about the TRUE state of the congregation?

by Alfred in

this question is really for elders or ex-elders (or ministerial servants in the know).... did you find that some elders would tend to "white-wash" the true state of the congregation when they had their sit-down with the co every 6 months?.

did some elders feel pressure to hide certain things from a co for fear of being "removed" from the boe?.

(judging by the "fakeness" that some elders displayed during co visits, i have to wonder whether they were really worried about being removed for not seeking out inactives or encouraging more participation during the wt study, book study or fs...).

Retrovirus

well done, Anony Mous!

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questions that defy JW logic No bible needed just a working brain

by thecrushed in

even before awakening from the mind control my mind would plague me with doctrine defying logic.

i'd like to share some of my self explanatory questions here.

every time i'd ask jw's these questions they would give me bs answers like we will have to wait on jehovah to tell us in the new system or some other lamo thinking stopper.

Retrovirus

Welcome, ABJAH!

Religion and science are two very different things, agreed. And the jw record of trying to use

science to "prove" thier interprestations and then backtracking is notorious.

Retro

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questions that defy JW logic No bible needed just a working brain

by thecrushed in

even before awakening from the mind control my mind would plague me with doctrine defying logic.

i'd like to share some of my self explanatory questions here.

every time i'd ask jw's these questions they would give me bs answers like we will have to wait on jehovah to tell us in the new system or some other lamo thinking stopper.

Retrovirus

Another problem for the literal Flood is where did all the water come from? Where did it go after?

My study director showed me where wt literature endorsed the ludicrous water canopy explanation, long ago thouroughly debunked.