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An Interview with an Apostate: happy@last
by happy@last intell us a little about yourself and your family.. born in the 1970s in glasgow, currently married, 2 children in their early teens.
were you a born in or a convert?.
neither, my mother became a jw when i was 7, she was a single parent by this time having divorced my father.. are your parents / family jws?.
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How would you respond?
by MsGrowingGirl20 inok so this is a conversation that i am having with a friend that i really love.
i have some points that i want to say but tell me, how would you respond to this email?.
not gonna try to defend anyone i can really only speak for myself.
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Retrovirus
Hi MsGG,
I would say that if God is a wiser and more loving father than our earthly parents, I cannot imaging the He would condemn all his children to oblivion except one small group. A small group, moreover, that admitted to being led by "imperfect men" and issuing false alarms.
Caveat - i'm a never-jw and so don't know how a jw would react to this.
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Retrovirus
Well for one, I think I get it.
Make abortions illegal, blame, shame and punish all concerned in such.
Even though you have been repeatedly been shown that this will certainly increase maternal deaths and injuries from backyard abortions and will not reduce unwanted pregnancies.
This is not about saving lives, mothers or babys. this is about imposing your rules on others.
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Retrovirus
IUD = Intra Uterine Device - put in place in a health clinic and works by preventing implantation. So technically, according to your definition, "murdering" the zygote.
The thing is, with your definition, and your stance that "taking a life" is always wrong, it doesn't fit with the real world. When a doctor administers morpheine to a dying patient, technically s/he is "taking" hours or days of life, which would otherwise be intolerable suffering. So is it wrong?
You have also agreed that removing a living fetus to save a mother's life could be a non-criminal choice. So perhaps, if a fetus could be seen to be so malformed that it could only life briefly if at all, that might be another lawful "choice".
This is why it's already not a black and white issue, education, options, support all help, and coercion probably will only make bad worse.
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Retrovirus
OK. If the system needs repair - I'd say more like rebuild - we don't overload the wreckage.
So would you also outlaw the morning-after pill? the normal contraceptive pill? IUDs that prevent implantation?
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Retrovirus
thanks, USR.
So, what education did you have in mind? statistics and/or graphic pics?
Will the statistics be kept current with deaths and injuries from the illegal abortions once the laws have been amended (those that have been found out, anyway)? What if these show that outlawing abortions causes more suffering than before?
What support provisions should there be for families and single mums who cannot cope with children they had to birth (such as
*result of rape, mother acutely depressed and not able to bond with child
*child with acute birth defects needing intensive care
I'm guessing you would say they just have to soldier on like the rest of us if we have problems with kids. My view is that if you deprive people of choices, you also bear responsibilities for all resulting problems.
Retro
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Retrovirus
sorry, pressed enter by mistake,
society needs to
1. educate people about the problem
2. make most abortions illegal (boundaries to be determined)
3. implement heavy punishments for all participating in illegal abortions
4. (should pro-choice advocates also be punished?)
Is that a fair statement of your position?
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So, USR, as I understand your position:
* Abortions are horrible and far too many happen
* Very rarely abortions are justifiable, but you are not clear on these boindaries
* to address the problem, society needs to
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Retrovirus
as far as illegal, like drugs some ppl will find a way, so possibly strict crimanal consquneces
Personally I doubt that someone desperate enough to face an illegal abortion would be deterred by threats of punishment
do you believe cocaine should be legal?
I'm not sure where you're going with this, except to illustrate the ineffectiveness of just making something illegal?
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Retrovirus
Then who should have the authority to override the mother's wishes, and under what circumstances? If education is needed, there must be a specific message and desired outcome.