I regret not being there for her more fully. This incident is one of the many reasons why I left the jws. Thanks aunt Heather! I love you...
Chris-
back in 2003/4 when i was living in truth or consequences, new mexico there was this sister and her non witness husband that moved into our area.
it was plain to see that the sister was suffering from serious mental problems.
she was a very nice lady, but was unstable a lot of the time.
I regret not being there for her more fully. This incident is one of the many reasons why I left the jws. Thanks aunt Heather! I love you...
Chris-
back in 2003/4 when i was living in truth or consequences, new mexico there was this sister and her non witness husband that moved into our area.
it was plain to see that the sister was suffering from serious mental problems.
she was a very nice lady, but was unstable a lot of the time.
Back in 2003/4 when I was living in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico there was this sister and her non witness husband that moved into our area. It was plain to see that the sister was suffering from serious mental problems. She was a very nice lady, but was unstable a lot of the time. Her husband was very controlling and later we found out he was extremely abusive verbally, mentally, and physically with her.
Not long after she moved to our area there was all kinds of gossip about her. People rolling their eyes at each other and talking about how weird/crazy she was. I was able to see that she had problems she couldn't help and always felt empathy for her. I made sure she was invited to my wedding and the reception, I knew it would put a smile on her face.
The elders had no idea how to handle a person with mental illnesses. It was common to hear people at the hall talking about her like she was a crazy woman.People would roll their eyes when they saw her coming. It came to light eventually that she was being abused physically. Believe it or not, the elders took up a collection among themselves to help her move to Kansas to stay with a relative there to get away from the abusive situation. I think part of the reason for this was to get rid of her so they wouldn't have to deal with her any more.
She came back to her abusive husband a few months later. It's called being co-dependent. Her hubby sweet talked her into coming back. And when she did come back the elders washed their hands of her...After her return she wasn't treated well at all by the elders.
I remember this one incident where she, I, and an elder named Ted were in a car group one Saturday. I thought we were going to be making calls. Nope! Ted just drove around while he berated her and threatened her with disfellowshipping (He later called it 'counseling her') because she had a membership card for the American Legion. Her Husband was a member of the organization and insisted she join too. Mostly to go to social events and take advantage of meals the group often provided to members. I was so damn uncomfortable. I don't know why Ted would do this with me in the car, and not another elder. Why didn't he just take her into the back room along with a fellow elder to counsel her? She must have been so embarrassed! Handling it this way was just plain WRONG! He would fire off questions at her and before she could reply continue to berate her. I always hated Ted after that.
Eventually the sister's physical abuse got worse and worse. My wife came home from working the emergency room one night (she's an RN), and told me bout this sister having come in to be treated because she had been beaten within an inch of her life with an axe handle. It was documented with photos. It was gruesome! She refused to press charges and went back home to him. The elders had written her off after she came back, so they did nothing to help her. It was like since she dared come back after they helped her escape then she's an idiot and deserves what she gets. Ted had said that to me one day when I asked him what they were going to do to help her after the beating.
She quit coming to the hall ( surprise surprise). Some time later she left the abusive husband again and was able to get into public housing where she didn't have to pay rent or utilities because she was destitute. From time to time I would see her out walking and I would stop and say hello. She would go on these really long walks out toward the Elephant Butte Dam.
One day while the Wife and I were in Roswell NM I got a call from my ex-father. He told me that her body had been discovered at the bottom of the dam. Apparently she had been going on those long walks out toward the dam to build up her stamina and get up the courage to throw herself off the dam. According to the local newspaper she was still alive for a time after she reached the bottom because they found water in her lungs, evidence that she drown. So, she jumped off the dam, bumped banged and scraped her body all the way down the concrete dam (some 300 feet), then lay helpless in the water at the bottom until she drown.
I was stunned when I got the news. I would picture her in my head out walking toward the dam. I made the connection that she had been making practice runs. Building up courage and endurance to end her life....
To this day I remember her at my wedding. I remember her smile. I remember how hard she tried to get to know people at the hall. I remember how awful she was treated. I cry for her.
Patricia and her scumbag husband at my wedding reception.
Chris-
i had an italian elder friend that regularly drank his wine (daily) and it was obvious that on some thursday or tuesday evenings, he was clearly under the influence of alcohol.
quite often, we would have a 3:00 sunday afternoon elder's meeting and once again, i could tell he had been drinking.. nobody ever brought it up but i knew him well and he loved his vino and martinis!.
we had a number of people on meds that would either act like zombies at the meetings or cry or get aggressive.
I used to go out in service stoned sometimes. It sure made the whole experience a lot funner...Meet for service, strike out on my own because I was just 'doing calls' (hehe), drive out to the boonies and light up a joint. Do some sight seeing then head back to Mickey D's and meet the others to get munchies and relate my wonderful experiences to the others. It was a blast.
One time I actually went door to door in my own territory stoned off my ass. I met this hippie type dude and he invited me in. We had the most interesting conversation about Star Trek! Then I noticed he smelled like pot smoke. I asked him if he'd like to get high and he was very surprised to have a JW ask him to get stoned. I told him there was a top secret splinter JW group that felt like smoking marijuana helped us get closer to god. He bought it and swore he'd not tell on me. I got out my reserve joint and we smoked it and played his Xbox. He became a return visit I went to for a couple of years until I moved away. It was my best call ever.
Chris-
you get ya wife back.
ya car back.
ya job back.
You will also get all your condoms back...
after 130 years of false prophecying,like 20 false armageddon dates,russels witchtower pyramid measurements @1914,,hehehe lol,and every other flip flop teaching,like all of them,like the expanded 1914 generation?come on people,get real with this sxxt ok?then their is the 8th king membership for about 10 years?how can the dubs stay in there and swallow all of this nonsense is beyond me ok?i can't go on about these fools any more,it is just too sad people,to see good hearted witchtowerite like christians being mislead down a road to no where okay?soon the truth about the truth will be seen by all,,,hehehe lol,,,!the only difference between these cultist and the jxxxs compound,is the missing vat of purple koolaid?most of them know that something is very wrong,but they have a social club to maintain,and besides,they all have way too much pride to admit that their teachings are all wrong,and they have infested their whole lives into that church,some over 60 years okay,so to leave now would mean that their whole life as a witness was all for nothing,and that is a reality that they refuse to think about or accept!glad i'm out of there now for over 25 years!.
Really, you're calling everyone here a mindless idiot for having been involved with the nitwitnesses including yourself.
well our dear faithful ones at jwtalk have seen fit to provide jehovah's "food at the proper time" earlier to the rest of the world than their governing body sees fit, so to follow are the scans from the convention.. .
dvd front:.
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All of it is aimed at CONTROLLING people. Fucking cult.
so i'm 21, just married, and raised in my fathers image and thank god he liked sci-fi...a genre i was able to escape to new worlds in.
he even took me to a trekkie covention when i was albout 12 at the greensboro coliseum and it was packed.
we had watched every episode over and over...i thought.
Sorry yer wife treated you like that just for wanting to see a new episode. Even worse that she threw it in your face all those years. I would have swapped her shampoo for some hair remover cream for being such a bitch.
after 200 posts there are still one or two things i am unclear on.. .
cd we post succinct tips such as:.
posting guidelines.
...and if you are a JW mole looking to incriminate someone from your local congregation we're on to you, so don't even fucking bother...
Chris-
my younger brother quit the family pretty much when he was 16. that's when he left all the jw crap behind.
boy, i wish i had turned and left with him!
over the years i've seen him on and off.
My younger brother quit the family pretty much when he was 16. That's when he left all the jw crap behind. Boy, I wish I had turned and left with him! Over the years I've seen him on and off. There have been stretches where I haven't seen or heard from him for years at a time. The last time I saw him face to face was in 1999.
So about a year ago he sought me out on facebook and we connected again. Previously he had told me one of the last times I talked to him on the phone that I'd have to be happy re-living my memories of him because I'd probably never hear from him again. That made me sad. I was still a jw at the time.
Now, after finding out that I have left the jws, he has become my best friend. We are very close now, and that makes me happy.
I used to be cut to the quick about my parents disowning me and all, but I have gained a lot of family since leaving the jws. Family that previously I never liked, or even really knew. Now me and that family have grown very close, celebrating Birthdays, Christmas, and LIFE together. I have lost a lot leaving the jws, but I've gained so much more...
Chris-
this thread is a repository for anyone to submit a watchtower parody they've created.
feel free to add your take on the watchtower.
i'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
I totally forgot to credit Chris Fugue for the thread idea. He's a real photoshop guru and has a thread with the same title on another forum. I figured we could get some fresh ideas for wt covers in a different forum. I truly meant to credit him in the first post, but It slipped my mind. Just thought I'd mention that.
Chris-