Larc:
Perhaps you could lay out exactly what it would take for 'it to be over."
An apology? A retraction?
Perhaps if you laid out what it is you are seeking, the parties involved can (hopefully) consider your requests.
Just a suggestion.
Kismet - your friendly neighbourhood spiderman mediatator (amateur)
Edited by - Kismet on 10 June 2002 23:29:32
an excerpt from sunday's paper:.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4386809&brd=982&pag=461&dept_id=467994&rfi=6.
more than 100,000 bible-carrying jehovah's witnesses from 233 congregations scattered throughout the lower peninsula of michigan and northern ohio are expected to attend the 2002 zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention, which began friday and continues through today.. it's a religious pilgrimage that meant a lot for 75-year-old howard anderson of detroit.. he was the oldest of the 169 convention delegates who was baptized into the faith saturday, a total that included 73 men and 96 women ranging in age from 10 to 75 years old.. "this is what i want," anderson said.
What happened to the days when anything less than a 1% baptism rate was considered poor? What was this one? less than half of one percent??
I guess Michigan and Ohio just isn't drawing that many 3rd worl immigrants or the 'birthin habits' of the JW's have declined...
Glad to see the numbers going down
Kismet
science deals with what can be observed, directly or indirectly.
so in one sense, you could say that science is simply not providing any answers to the question about the existence of a soul or spirit component of a human being.. .
that, of course, keeps science polite to religious ideas.. .
Jan:
Your post was a very interesting thought provoking read.
I do feel however your car analogy was flawed. Apples to oranges comparison. To compare the animate with the inanimate, the self aware versus a machine really isn't a fair comparison. I do see the point you were striving for but that analogy is not completely valid (but then again such is the case with many analogies.)
Thanks for tackling this topic I have been enjoying the comments thusfar.
Kismet
very soon the us supreme court justices will make their ruling known as to whether jws in stratton, oh will continue to register with the mayor's office or not.
the transcript of the oral arguments presented by both sides is now available.. http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/docket/2001/february.html.
about 3/4s of the way down the page you will find links related to this case - look for watchtower bible and tract society of new york, et al v village of stratton, oh, et al.
Way to go Fred. You are finally getting it..either that or your poor grammar allowed you to make an excellent Freudian slip.
Bill Bowen is not having no impact in the congregations - Fred Hall
So Bill is having an impact since he is not having no impact? smirking
Kismet
the following is a message from another jw forum i visited:.
i came across a scripture (genesis 15:16) which says that god's people would return "in the fourth generation".
true, it doesn't say where in the fourth generation but as they were to be in egypt for 430 years then if they return in the fourth we're looking at generations being divided up into approx.
you can go from 1914 plus 40 years to approx 1935 (helloooo great crowd!!) and from there to 1975 (hellooo 6000 years of man's existence) it's only a hop-skip and a jump to 2015! -ish
Umm 1914 + 40 years would bring you to 1954 1954 + 40 = 1994 1994 + 40 = 2034 Still can't quite figure out where 1975 or 2015 comes into the picture
i really need to talk and try to get some things out.
i am one of the managers at a local fast food restaraunt.
we live in a quiet town and on friday night after one in the morning one of my employees and i went outside to take out the trash.
I am so sorry that you went through this. What a scary experience.
I agree that it was very good of you to try and help the girl out the way you did. I am sure she appreciated it.
As a suggestion call up one of the investigators at the Police Department and ask if they could do ocassional drive bys of your neighbourhood. They will not be able to assign someone to stay there but increased Police presence can be a deterent.
Stay safe but try not to let the incident make you crazy. Take precautions but don't let thaose bastards ruin your joy of living.
Also be sure not to get sucked in by well intentioned religionists who will likely try to use this opportunity to 'bring you closer to the Lord jesus". Zealots love to capitalize on tragedies.
Good luck and if you need to vent please do so. There are many good people here and they are always more than willing to listen.
Kismet
as i read one letter from a judicial committee, which letter accused an individual of expressing violent thoughts about an unpunished.
child molester, i remembered 2 incidents where elders had revealed violent attack fantasies.. the po of my former congregation in wall, nj told me that he would like to "beat [a certain disfellowshipped wife of an elder] out .
of her chair" when she appeared at the kingdom hall.. .
Interesting post. Getting POed takes on a whole new meaning.
Just a quick favor to ask of you i8emallup. Could you change your H20 link on your website. H20 is now found at http://www.aimoo.com/h2o
Thanks.
Kismet
pending tragedy for the wts and jws.
the heavy-handed tactics of the leaders of the watchtower society have begun to bear rotten fruit.
i suspect that it is just a matter of time before the need arises to coin some phrase to describe disfellowshipped or disassociated jehovah's witnesses who bomb conventions, shoot up kingdom halls or even attack bethel facilities.. leaders of the wts (and local elders) should stop and think about the lessons to be learned from columbine high school, the postal service (i.e.
Nancee:
Are you sure YOU aren't the Watchtower spy that you so often accuse others of being.
Comments like the one you just made above simply achieves Watchtower objectives.
Can you say slander? Might be a good idea to look it up.
You might want to review the comments made on this thread:
. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29746&site=3
Kismet
if you don't have hbo or ppv you might wanna know.. that is one brutal sport.
tyson was bleeding from eyes, nose and mouth.. ugh.. lisa
Sounds like you were describing some of his former girlfriends after he was done with them.
Way to go Lewis!!
i'm gonna go for the direct approach here.
it's kind of strange to identify yourself as an ex- anything, to define yourself using a former identity as a point of reference, one that is no longer.
in some cases you might use it to clarify your relationship, (i'm jane's ex-husband, or whatever) but again it gets weird.. i mean we don't think of ourselves as ex-kindergarteners or something do we?
Currently I am an ex-JW especially in regards to my online activity. However in my real life I am striving not to be.
I have made it my goal to be an ex-XJW in that I don't want to allow that Organization to be any label of who or what I am now.
Did it influence me? Hell ya! but I do not want my life to be about being a former JW.
Make sense?
Kismet
