just a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.
cheers,.
ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
“…if we notice a fellow Christian who shows such a disobedient spirit, we will make a personal decision not to associate with him…”
Not “you may”…
...“we will”.
“Personal decision”, my ass (not to mention the whole “we” thing, as if solidarity between the leadership and the rank-and-file were even possible at this point). Read between the lines, and there is virtually zero wiggle room.
These aren’t reforms…
…they’re just a slightly more creative way of reiterating the rules.
just a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.
cheers,.
ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).
Stephane - “… I think the point here is that it won't be enforced by the elders…”
Yeah, right.
“Youse had best make a ‘personal decision’ to see tings our way… it’d be a shame if some udders might be compelled to make a similar ‘personal decision’ regarding youse.”
from reddit.. a summary of changes: .
we are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners.
if elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating satan the devil, not jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the tagalog version in translation!
And I’ve been thinking about this for a couple days, now.
I figure that…
a) …they decided that since the XJW community was aware of the alleged rewrites, they decided to shelve them and double down on the old version just as a “fuck you”, and/or…
b) …they’re still delusional enough to think God’s got their back and they’re gonna come out on top, despite all the shit that’s been happening.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/charges-probe-child-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses-pennsylvania/3600171/#:~:text=a%20pennsylvania%20grand%20jury%20investigating,that%20has%20identified%2014%20suspects.
what to know.
a pennsylvania grand jury investigating child sexual abuse among jehovah’s witnesses has charged another five people with raping or molesting children as young as 4 years old.. the indictments friday are the latest charges in an ongoing probe that has identified 14 suspects.. state attorney general michelle henry says that while the misconduct dates back years or even decades, “the trauma endures for these victims.”.
FFGhost - “…I know it's the longest of long shots, but I can't get rid of the gut feeling there is some connection between all these recent PA cases and Tony Morris' abrupt and complete disappearance…”
Don't kid yourself.
It ain’t that long a shot.
the watchtower—study edition | august 2024. help for those who are removed from the congregation.
14 does what we have considered mean that we would completely ignore a person who has been removed from the congregation?
not necessarily.
“…In the past, we would not greet such a person…”
A more accurate statement would be, “…In the past, you would be forbidden from greeting such a person…”
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/charges-probe-child-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses-pennsylvania/3600171/#:~:text=a%20pennsylvania%20grand%20jury%20investigating,that%20has%20identified%2014%20suspects.
what to know.
a pennsylvania grand jury investigating child sexual abuse among jehovah’s witnesses has charged another five people with raping or molesting children as young as 4 years old.. the indictments friday are the latest charges in an ongoing probe that has identified 14 suspects.. state attorney general michelle henry says that while the misconduct dates back years or even decades, “the trauma endures for these victims.”.
This asshole pled guilty…
…and witnesses (real ones) confirmed under oath that documents were indeed shredded under orders from higher up, and it’s all a matter of public record, now.
This is why they’re hissyfitting about “negative” reports rather than “falsehoods”…
…’cause there’s just too much smoke for there not to be any fire, and calling them “lies” makes them liars.
big news.
just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
So…
…not only is it not called “disfellowshipping” anymore…
…there’s a bunch of stuff that aren’t DFing removal-level offenses anymore…
…the rare occasions it happens, it’s just for a few months…
…and “marking” (and more importantly, “marking” talks) are no longer even a thing.
Makes you wonder if all that passive resistance is actually having an impact.
it would appear the context about marking has to do with those who are not working to feed themselves, but meddling in others business.
a couple more scrptures to think about.
jesus said not to throw your pearls before swine.
Just goes to show that even when you have the most altruistic intentions, using authoritarian measures inevitably puts the monsters in charge.
so: the mystery has been clarified as to more "new light" / clarifications of decades old doctrine and procedure.
august watchtower has finally been leaked.
disfellowshipping?
joey jojo - “…Are they prepared to accept a certain level of lost membership as long as they have complete control over the ones left?”
For a long while there, I was convinced that not only were they prepared, they wanted the faders, fakers, and fence-sitters to fuck off.
Then Covid happened, and clued us all in to just how many there might actually be.
😏
so: the mystery has been clarified as to more "new light" / clarifications of decades old doctrine and procedure.
august watchtower has finally been leaked.
disfellowshipping?
DesirousOfChange- “…Most diehard JWs will follow tradition and shun dissenters…”
Sure, they would…
…but really, just how many diehards are actually left? And just how many left are actual diehards?
If we underestimated the number of PIMOs, it follows that we may be overestimating the number of PIMIs.
And I’m willing to bet that the Org’s higher-ups have considered this, too.
