Angus: who decides whether the wrongdoing has been established?
GJ: 2 elders see if there's a basis for the accusation before a judicial meeting.
Angus: Is it always necessery to use 2 MEN in this or could a woman be used in this preliminary determination is established?
GJ: (vague)
Angus: who makes the decision? It must be elders?
GJ: Yes
Angus: where is this in the Bible?
GJ: 1 Cor 11:3 (headship scrip) Men make final decisions.